Madeleine aged 3 and age progression image projecting her at age 6. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
A few days ago I wrote a post about Madeleine McCann; Should They Stop Searching?, questioning whether it was time for the parents to stop searching for the lost child and time to concentrate on the other children she had. The post caused some mixed emotions and views but the one that stood out most to me was that Kate never actually searched for her daughter when she returned to the apartment and found her missing.
This incident took me back a number of years ago when I had taken my three year old shopping to a large indoor shopping centre. We had been looking at the large display of toys in The Early Learning Centre when I turned my back on my daughter, not more than few seconds.
When I turned back she was gone
My heart stopped
My pulse raced
My hands started to sweat as the panic set in fast
I started to shake
Time stood still
I rapidly glanced around and could not see her
I shouted her name
My feet seemed to be glued to the spot with fear, yet the motherly instinct in me soon took over and I became the hunter, searching for her. I ran and I screamed and I asked everyone around me had they seen a little girl looking lost.
Looking back I must have looked like a crazed banshee, but my only thought was to find my daughter.
Within minutes of losing her, although it seemed like hours she appeared. She had walked out of the shop and right into Woolworths which was opposite to where we had been.
That incident left me shaken and I dare not think what could have happened. Learning that the mother of Madeleine McCann had not searched for her daughter puzzled me greatly.
So Why Did Kate Not Search For Madeleine?
Kate and Gerry McCann, have said that they left the children unsupervised in a ground floor bedroom while they ate at a restaurant about 120 metres (130 yards) away, this alone I cannot understand but I am not here to judge Kate, we all have different ways of parenting. Why when she did realise her daughter was missing did she not like begin looking?
Kate states she was not functioning? Is that a good enough reason not to search for your daughter who had gone missing? When did Kate decide she had been abducted and not just woken in fear to be alone and had gone off to find her mummy and daddy?
Perhaps Kate was just in shock and that prevented the ability of her feet to move, was she physically unable to search for Madeleine? Is she still stood in that apartment or did her feet eventually move?
I have read with interest the amount of kind and caring people who gave up their own time and own holiday to search for Madeleine, why didn’t her mother?
Would you like to think if your child went missing you would get out there and search?
So why did Kate not search for Madeleine?
Related articles
- Madeleine McCann; Should They Stop Searching? (therealsupermumblog.com)
- Madeleine McCann’s mum joins campaign for missing (belfasttelegraph.co.uk)
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- Madeleine McCann mum becomes ambassador for missing people (thesun.co.uk)
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I think if I was ever in the same situation I would be straight out the door and wouldn’t want to come back until I found her!
Hopefully none of us will ever know what it’s like to be in that situation.
Yeah, okay, she would of been shocked and maybe unable to move for a lil while until what happened had actually sunk in but surely it wouldn’t of lasted long and she would of been able to get out there and look as well x
My daughter was kidnapped when she was 21 months old it was the worst 13 hours of my life the 1st 3 hours I was searching for her the last 10 the police were looking for her an told me to stay home. I always have thought the behaviour of the mccanns seemed odd after my own experience, I never understood why they didn’t look.
You say “I am not here to judge Kate” but you then go on to judge her by questioning her actions. I once lost my child for over twenty minutes and had to call the police. I can’t tell you the emotions going through me at the time, suffice to say that my one thought was that I should not stray too far in case my child came back to look for me. I could barely stand up when the police arrived either and I never thought I would react like that.
When it’s obvious that someone has been in your apartment and your child has more than likely been kidnapped, as happened to Kate, there’s no “right” way to react.
There is no “right” way to react, however, there is a right way to act , drugging your children, leaving them ALONE in an appartment on several occasions so you can go for a drink and a meal is NOT RIGHT. If she had acted properly she would not have had to react in anyway shape or form. One the occasion my son disapeared in shop for a matter of seconds I was screaming myself hoarse and running looking for him, is there something up with this whole Mccann situation, yes I think there is.
Expat Mum, there is no proof Madeleine was abducted and the reason Kate McCann which was because they were completely non functioning for the first 48hrs is complete rubbish.
The McCanns went straight back to their apartment, after Kate raised the alarm in the Tapas Bar, that Madeleine had been abducted. They sorted out their timelines with their mates and by 2am, they had phoned Gordon Brown, their high profile media friend Jon Corner and their family and friends. The Merseyside Priest who officiated at the Marriage of Kate and Gerry, was contacted by Kate and asked to fly over to Praia da Luz, as soon as possible.
Less than 48 hrs after Madeleine disappeared, the twins were back in the creche and the McCanns had resumed their leisure activities.
When Kate McCann began writing her book, she had forgotten that she had told the world and his wife, that the reason she and her husband never searched for Madeleine, was because for 48hrs, they were completely non functioning. In her book, she says she and her husband were searching for Madeleine, on the night she disappeared and they were the only ones looking for her. She said everyone else had gone home.
She is a liar, because if she and her husband had been searching for Madeleine, she would have bumped into the Portuguese police, the locals and anyone else who stayed out all night and in the following days and nights to search for Madeleine.
We have to be honest here and the best way to be honest is to read what is in the files, including the transcripts of the McCanns media interviews. The McCanns have told 181 lies, in an effort to save their own skins and they have also tried to re write history many times, in the past 5yrs.
Their Tapas friends have also tried to re write history, but this was in the first few days after Madeleine disappeared. They have remained silent and stayed out of the limelight, ever since
I’ve all ways said there was some thing wrong with what went off. If it was shock a break down or summit else I dunno but it just don’t feel right to me
Ive always found their story to be abit weird? I know if Mollie went missing id be straight out the door doing everything i could!! x
i think everyone is guilty of judging another parent if for good or bad reasons. i understand peope react differently bit i honest cant see how as a mother kate didnt run from the room screaming banging on doors calling her name. i honestly think her reacting was, how it would look for her. not that her child was missing i think she worried this would make her look irresponsible and lets face it. as a doctor that is not a good look
I also lost sight of my daughter in a town shop she was there one second and gone the next i started screeming for her the store closed its doors till she was found and sure enough she had headed to the toys it was only a few minutes but it seemed to be a life time and i cant imagine any mum not searching.4 there lost child there and even now,stopping wudnt be an option even with other kids
it is one of the most horrible heart stopping moment any parents can go through, the other being when you child is knocked down by a car, my son was 6 when he disappeared in a shopping centre, and after I had spent less then a minute looking where he was last seen ( less than 3 feet behind me) I alerted staff and shop security and got everybody looking while I also kept looking, he was gone for about 10 minutes and I honestly didnt know whether to batter him or hug him ( I hugged him and then gave him a row). It surely is an instinct to have turned every inch of the apartment upside down and alerted every other occupied apartment , but I was not there and I am not her.
id be walking the streets till my feet bled if it was my child. i only ever lost my child in the town centre but still at that moment my heart had stopped and i was a mess x
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I guess we can all sit here and type we would do this and we would do that, but whatever happened I really hope she is safe and not being harmed Personally I wouldn’t leave my boys in a hotel room alone xx
I cannot understand y she didn’t look for her. I would be tearing around like a woman possessed! X
Does ANYONE have any doubt hat this is the worst lie McCann’s are trying to tell us??As they could be looked at as they were a good example as parents… How can someone just stay with friends, drink alcohol for a long time, by night, and “LEAVE” their children alone?? Doesn’t anyone question this attitude? Shouldn’t they have been condemned JUST for this abusive uneducational practice??
And now that someone (even without proofs, but with technological help) says that in Murat’s garden are evidences of a body (human or not) buried in a place where cement was recently put, after Maddie’s disappearence…the parents do not want the police to investigate thie. Is it because Murat is their friend? Is it because they now that their lie is next to get discovered? Or is it just because…it’s good to continue receiving some money from all of us on their Maddie’s support funds?
Poor kids whose parents act like the MccCanns. SHAME ON YOU!
I could not agree more. Well said Roger
I have to agree with roger how can u leave them alone in the apartment and go somewhere else for a meal and drinks u go on holiday as a family Unser plenty of children asleep in prams or chairs on holiday. It just doesn’t add up to me I would be searching every day x
i dont get her, i think (own opinion) looks cold through it all with no real emotion, i lost lewis in a shop 2 weeks ago while i was at the till…. i left the buggy, my purse on the counter n my bag ie everything mid been served n ran round the shop n outside the shop shouting him in panic ….. how could she not serch it baffles me it really does , yes she had 2 other children n i guess i could see she wanted to b with them n make sure they were safe but surely someone was with her when they found maddy gone so she should of gone looking like any mother would do xx
This is unfair. We know Gerry physically searched for Madeleine.
The question was whether Kate physically searched for Madeleine. She starts her answer with: I DID. Immediately after Kate discovered Madeleine was gone, she searched the apartment, and after she raised the alarm, she ran around the apartment with Fiona searching and calling for Madeleine, (witness statements PJ Files) until Gerry took over and Kate remained with the twins in the apartment. The next morning Kate&Gerry went for an early search throughout PdL, without success. Then reality hits Kate and she became what she calls disfunctional. The search with dogs had already begun. Since then Gerry and Kate were on another level searchin for Madeleine and never stopped to this very day.
A swarm of hateful anti’s, haters, pitchforkers and ghouls perched on your website and abused the grieving parents of this lost child, even further into the ground to tread. How would you, as a mother, feel if this was done to you??
I am sorry you find my thoughts puzzling did you watch the video where Kate says she did not search?
It is ok. Yes, I know this video. She didn’t say she NEVER searched at all. It needs balancing.
I hope Madeleine will be found soon. Same goes for Tia Sharp. It doesn’t feel good, but hope for the best outcome.
When Kate McCann was asked if she wanted to join the locals, who stayed off work for more than a week, she said she did, but for the first 48hrs WE were completely non functioning. Not her but WE.
Even if she only meant herself, when she said she wasn’t able to search because she was completely non functioning, she says in her book that she and her husband did search for Madeleine, on the night she went missing and they were the only ones out searching for her.
She also insulted the GNR, who searched day and night for Madeleine, until they were satisfied, they had looked everywhere for her, when she said she and her husband, were the only ones out looking for Madeleine.
She also insulted the locals, who gave up work for more than a week, to search day and night for Madeleine, when she said she and her husband were the only ones searching for Madeleine.
Anyway Kate McCann was lying in her book, because when the police (GNR) arrived at the McCanns apartment 5a, after only being notified at 22:40, they found the McCanns and their Tapas mates inside of the McCanns apartment.
They had sorted out their timelines, using the blank pages of one of Madeleine’s books and they had begun to make phonecalls that would have waited until the next morning.
When the GNR arrived, Kate and Gerry had their backs to them and were speaking calmly. As soon as the McCanns saw the GNR, Gerry dropped to his knees and started wailing like a banshee. Kate jumped on the bed and started screaming, she later said she broke the bed, she was so angry.
What I have told you is in the files, now I would like you to tell me, when Gerry searched for Madeleine? I would also like you to refrain from insulting those of us who don’t believe the McCanns fairy tale, especially when they have told 181 lies, to try to support their fairy tale.
Insulting is something that the McCanns fans, frequently do to the McCann critics who are also Madeleine supporters.
I can’t speak for anyone else, I can only speak for myself and I have followed this case from day one. I have watched every single one of the McCanns media interviews and I have listened to their changes of stories over the past 5yrs.
By the way, did you know that the McCanns demanded the case was closed, back in 2008, when they were still arguidos? They partially got what they wanted, because the case wasn’t closed, it was only shelved.
You need to ask yourself, why your mates the McCanns, wanted the case closed, when the PJ were still investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.
I haven’t come on here to argue with anyone, but when I see people like yourself, who believe the McCanns fairy tale, without reading the facts, I will put the other side of the coin on here and I will do it for Madeleine. The McCanns followers, don’t seem to care that it is because of the McCanns, that Madeleine is no longer around. All they care about, is trying to brainwash the critics, into believing the McCanns fairy tale.
It is about time the McCanns followers realised, that the McCanns are the cause of any suffering Madeleine endured before and after she disappeared. They don’t acknowledge any wrong doing on their part. They keep saying “We are innocent, we’ve done nothing wrong.”
They can never be innocent, whether Madeleine was abducted or not, because what they admitted to the PJ, amounted to a very serious crime.
It is not important what any of us bring into discussion. It is not about us. What is important is the Scotland Yard review here and the Portuguese review in Oporto. SY DCI officer Andy Redwood dismisses
conspiracy theories about Madeleine’s parents’ involvement,. McCanns are cleared! http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-case-reopen-call
Redwood said he believes the girl’s disappearance was the result of “a criminal act by a stranger”.
http://tinyurl.com/7y224dh
Redwood said there is a good chance Madeleine is still alive.
Yes, there is evidence of abduction, there is more than enough, but there is none whatsoever that Madeleine died in the apartment.
http://tinyurl.com/3zkyalg
Kathybelle, well said. It takes guts to stand up to people who provide a powerful wall of protection around these parents. Your sentiments bespeak honesty and truth. Madeleine is your focus and mine, first and last. She was, in truth, let down by those who should have loved her most. When a child is deprived of basic love, care and protection, there are plenty in the world who will stand up for her, loco parentis. I stand shoulder to shoulder with you on this, Kathy Belle. These well-educated parents laid her open to untold harm and danger, at the very least. We will keep on and keep on because this is all plain wrong. The child needs us to speak for her. A cry in a wilderness of spin and self-interest. There are cohorts of people speaking up for the McCanns and they are all well-versed in their mantras, for reasons best known to themselves. For their aggressive defence of the indefensible they must ultimately answer to themselves. Only they know why they side with negligent parents.. For these defenders of reprehensible adults, that day of reckoning will arrive quicker than they know.
What I would like to know is why they lied so much, the police and locals as well as holiday makers were searching all night and all next and the next, why did they say nobody was looking. Why lie about the checking. The babies were left alone in an apartment outside the complex after they were told to get a baby sitter or put them in the creche.
As I revealed in my previous post, the McCanns told 181 lies, in order to save their own skins. I wouldn’t have believed they’d told 181 lies, if I hadn’t seen the lies they told posted on a forum.
The most famous lie of all, was the lie about the shutter being jemmied, that the McCanns told to the GNR. They had previously been asked if they had locked their apartment before they went out. They said yes, the abductor entered the apartment through the jemmied shutter and exited back through the jemmied shutter, with Madeleine in his arms.
It was only when the shutter, was found to be intact, that the McCanns admitted leaving their apartment unlocked. Lie number 2.
Warner’s received many reports, that the McCanns children were crying when they were out. Warner staff were despatched to Chaplins, in order to tell the McCanns to return to their apartment, to see to their crying children.
Warner’s asked the McCanns if they wanted to use the baby minding facilities, that they had refused to use when they arrived at the complex and once again they said no.
The McCanns always denied the reports of the children crying, they said once their children were asleep, they never woke up. On the first anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance a documentary was shown and the McCanns told the media, that on the morning of the evening Madeleine disappeared, she told them, she and Sean had woken up and cried for them the previous evening.
How strange that Madeleine should disappear, the very same evening after she told her parents that morning, what happened the previous evening.
Kathybelle said
The most famous lie of all, was the lie about the shutter being jemmied, that the McCanns told to the GNR.
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Why would you call this a lie? . If I came home at 10 o’clock at night and found my lounge window wide open, curtains flapping and my TV missing, my very first thought would be that a burglar had broken in via that window and pinched it. That is certainly what I would be telling the police, and that is also what i would be telling my family and friends.. If the next day the police told me that there was no physical evidence that the burglar had entered through the window and they must have got in another way – I would then be phoning my F&F and telling them that too.
If one of those people had then said to me……… ” Oh so you were LYING yesterday when you said they had broken in through the window”……… I would be totally gobsmacked and would be saying ……”Of course I wasn’t LYING – that is what I really thought had happened when I came in and saw the window wide open.” Wouldn’t anyone think that?
And that is exactly what Kate McCann did. She came in to find a window and shutter which as far as she knew had been closed and locked all week – open – and her daughter gone. She would have been abnormal NOT to have thought in that first moment that someone had entered via the window and taken her child.
Kate McCann simply told the police what she truly believed had happened at the time.
Later on when they were in possession of more facts they would have to rethink their original belief – which they did – in the same way as any other normal people would. Lying doesn’t come into it..
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I believe that the meal was the alibi she was dead before the meal,they stated that they drank two bottle,s of wine between nine of them who went without, these are brit,s on holiday after all,who was at the meal how come,s there has not been a breakaway I was at the meal etc etc very strange,there is always,s some exclusive in one paper ,there is cash involved after all,where did all these high powered friend,s come from,i believe these friend,s may all be into the same thing,
Chicane
You really do need to read the files, you are printing lies, in your quest to make the McCanns innocent.
There is no evidence that Madeleine was abducted, there is evidence that she came to harm in the McCanns apartment. Madeleine’s blood was found on the walls, on the carpet and behind the sofa. At first the McCanns denied it was Madeleine’s blood, then Gerry said it was, because Madeleine suffered from nose bleeds. There was cadaver scent on 2 items of Kate McCann’s clothing, 1 item of clothing, belonging to either Madeleine or Sean, but whoever it belonged to, was worn by Madeleine. Cuddle Cat also had cadaver scent on him. Cadaver scent only appears when someone or something has been involved with a dead person.
The McCanns have not been cleared of anything, because they have not been prosecuted for the crimes they have committed. The case isn’t closed it is only shelved, if the case is taken down from the shelf, and the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, re starts, the McCanns will resume their status as arguidos along with Robert Murat.
If I were you, I would stop singing the praises of Chief Inspector Andy Redwood. Andy Redwood made the comment that Madeleine is either alive or dead. We have paid over £3m to hear Redwood spout the obvious.
Redwood’s boss, Hamish Campbell, who is leading the review, was instrumental in getting Barry George jailed for a murder he never committed. Thanks to Campbell, the British taxpayer, had to fork out hundreds of thousands of pounds in compensation, to Bary George. I’m not saying Barry George didn’t deserve the compensation, I just think Campbell should have been made to pay it.
Scotland Yard advised the PJ to make the McCanns suspects, back in 2007, because of their lies and other aspects of their behaviour.
The McCanns are suing Goncalo Amaral, for writing in his book his conclusion that Madeleine died in the McCanns apartment and the McCanns covered up her scent.
They are not suing Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, who came to the same conclusion as Dr Amaral. This is what is written in the McCann PJ files.
“A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation. Where he concludes after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents responsible for cadaver occultation and the entire group was lying, since the first day of the investigation. 10th of September 2007.
The whole of the report can be read in the link below.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm
You need to read the damning report and you need to read other information that is in the files, these are the files the McCanns have access to as well as the public. If there was anything in these files that was untrue, the McCanns would have sued the pants off everyone involved in issuing them to the public.
I’m happy to debate with you, but I am not happy to see you posting lies. Madeleine has been dissed by her parents and her wider family, along with the British Government and other high profile people, who had an agenda for making sure her parents were never prosecuted for the crimes they committed, that lead to Madeleine’s disappearance. Madeleine has also been dissed for the past 5yrs, by her parents supporters, who trawl around message boards and forums, insulting her parents critics and posting lies, in their quest to make the McCanns out to be innocent.
I am a staunch Madeleine supporter and because Madeleine has been denied a voice by her parents and their supporters, I will speak out for Madeleine. I know thousands and thousands of people in Portugal the UK and other countries, think the same way as I do.
I find the McCann’s very unhelpful in the search for their daughter. They changed their story and lied to us all. What about the dogs and what they found, if my child was missing I would be mortified and would want answers, not dismiss the findings and If someone said she’s under a patio, I would claw at the ground with my bare hands, they seem to give credence to the 1000′s of sightings from all over the world (and the made up ones) Sorry but the McCanns are untruthful, unhelpful and ungrateful as well as liars. Read in Kates book about the cadaver scent, all lies, she should know with her medical background that the scent lasts much longer then 30 days.
Kate McCann said she wrote her book for Madeleine, Sean and Amalie. Her mother Susan Healy verified this, adding that her daughter was a very private person and she thought long and hard, before she decided to publish the book.
Kate also said that wherever Madeleine was, she hoped she would be allowed to read the book. Madeleine was 8yrs of age at the time the book was published.
I haven’t bought the book, but I have read some of the passages online and I have been disgusted at some of the things Kate McCann has wrote. She stated that she and her husband couldn’t make love and she also described how she imagined Madeleine’s tiny little genitals being torn apart.
Kate McCann’s book is full of sex and lies and she doesn’t need to be a doctor, she should know as a 40+ woman that it isn’t suitable reading material for any child, let alone Madeleine.
I question the McCanns capability as doctors, because they have both said more than once, that they believe Madeleine was taken by a paedophile, but she is alive. They even say that there is a chance she will be found in years to come, after all Jacee Lee Dugard was found, years after she was taken by a paedophile.
One doesn’t need to be a doctor, to know that Madeleine’s body would not stand the assaults a paedophile would inflict on her. Jacee Lee Dugard, was a lot older and mature than Madeleine, when she was taken.
However the McCanns behaviour and the evidence that was found in their apartment, is a sure sign Madeleine is no longer alive.
The McCanns will do and say anything to try to brainwash people into think she is alive and well.
oh I know it made you feel ill to read those poor children.also fancy telling them about an abductor when no proof. wouldent it have been kinder just to tell truth their sister is missing.All these child experts they deal with for advice must have told them to do that. Its parenting classes I think they needed. Most parents I know would think of whats best and surely that truth would have been best not what they think happened . its so sad for all these missing children now we have this mum as an ambassador for missing people a fund raiser may have been just acceptable but this even more scarry
you just think oh no.
Kate’s diary entry for 4th May, 2007 describes physical searching
Quote:
FRIDAY, MAY 4: No sleep, Gerry and I started looking through the streets around 06.00 as it was starting to get light. Nobody around. Why not? Desperate.
GNR Officer confirmed Gerry&Kate McCann searching for Madeleine:
Police Files – Statement of Paolo Jorge Fernandes Neto, GNR Officer dated 27th May.
Here Kate McCann’s claim to have been out searching for Madeleine early on 4th May is confirmed by GNR Officer Paolo Jorge Fernandes Neto who was on duty from 1am-9am on 4th May 2007:-
Quote:
He remembers that he saw the McCann couple at about 07.00 alone in the street next to the site where they were stationed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULO-NETO.htm
Kate’s book:
David said ‘Let’s just check the apartment.’ I’d done that….I ran out into the car park, flying from end to end, yelling desperately ‘Madeleine, Madeleine!’ It was so cold and windy….Fear was shearing through my body…
Gerry, David, Russell and Matt split into pairs and dashed around the adjacent apartment blocks.
Gerry had been over to the Mini Club above the twenty-four-hour reception thinking that if Madeleine had been left somewhere, she might make her way back to any place that was familiar to her…
Gerry meanwhile was running from pillar to post, urging me to remain in the apartment with the twins so that I’d be on hand if Madeleine was found and brought back there…
On my insistence, Gerry and Dave went out again to look for some sign of Madeleine. They went up and down the beach in the dark, running, shouting…
I walked briskly up and down Rua dr Agostinho da Silva, sometimes breaking into a jog, clinging to the hope that I’d spot something in the dark…
I couldn’t have allowed myself to entertain sleep. I felt Madeleine’s terror, and I had to keep vigil with her. I needed to be doing something, but I didn’t know where to put myself. I wandered restlessly in and out of the room and onto the balcony. At long last, dawn broke…
As soon as it was light, Gerry and I returned to our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before having barely left the Oceab Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and taked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere I remember opening a big dumpter-type bin and saying to myself please God don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about it all was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.
We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment…
And this….
In a TV documentary, missing Ayrshire toddler Sandy Davidson’s mother Margaret told Lorraine Kelly that she couldn’t physically take part in the search for her son because she was too afraid that she might be the one to find him and she was afraid of what that might be.
Thank you Kingfisher along with Roger and others you’ve made some excellent points. I can never understand how anyone can make excuses for the McCanns.
I remember the McCanns being interviewed by Fiona Phillips the television presenter. She told them not to blame themselves, then in a blasé way she said ” when my husband and I took our boys on holiday, we quite often left them sleeping in the hotel room, while we went out for the evening.
I was disgusted when Phillips made that comment. What Phillips seemed to forget was, while it was bad enough that her boys were left in a hotel room while she and her husband hit the town, the McCanns children were left in an unlocked, unlit apartment.
The McCanns were once asked why they left their apartment unlocked, they said it was in case a fire broke out. After hearing this remark and other remarks made in a similar vein, I question the McCanns ability to ever get their degrees in medicine. The McCanns at some point in their careers, will have come across children who have been killed or severely hurt, after being left in their homes by their parents.
No doubt the McCanns will have made sure Social Services and the police were contacted. Yet they deemed it ok to leave their children in a similar way. They even admitted they had only checked their children every 30 minutes, apart from the night they say Madeleine was abducted.
On that night they each made one check each and each check was 55 minutes apart. The McCanns lied, when they said their friends were checking the children. Diane Webster, the mother of one of their friends said in a statement that is in the files, each couple only checked their own children.
One of their friends actually changed his story regarding his check. First of all he said, he didn’t enter the McCanns apartment when he went to check on their children, he said he just listened at the window. Then he changed his mind and said he did enter the apartment, but he didn’t go into the children’s bedroom. He said he never saw Madeleine, but he could see the twins in their cots.
Really? He would have had to enter the children’s bedroom, to see the twins cots and if he had done that, he wouldn’t have seen the twins, because according to Gerry McCann Madeleine was alone in the apartment on the night she supposedly was abducted.
He made that confession to the media, outside the Lisbon Court, when he and his wife were trying to get Goncalo Amaral’s book permanently banned.
Sandra Felgueiras, a Portuguese television presenter, was outside the Court when Gerry McCann made that confession and in a later interview, she asked Kate McCann 3 times if the twins were in their apartment, on the night Madeleine disappeared. Kate McCann changed the subject each time, but instead of pushing her, Sandra gave up.
Now we have Kate McCann the Ambassador for the “Missing Peoples charity” The charity received many letters about Kate McCanns appointment as an Ambassador, including one from myself. The charity chose to ignore our letters, they just sent a standard reply.
What kind of a charity, would employ a woman, who along with her husband played a major part in their daughter’s disappearance? The charity has conveniently forgotten, that the McCanns broke the Portuguese law, each time they left their children unattended.
The only good thing about Kate McCann’s appointment as an Ambassador, is the job only lasts for 12 weeks. She thinks it is a feather in her cap, how wrong she is. She has cost this charity money and she has once again got more bad publicity.
Sometime next month, the McCanns lawsuit against Goncalo Amaral begins. The McCanns don’t want to appear in Court in person, they want to appear by a video link. If the McCanns are successful, they will gain over a €1m, plus his house.
Goncalo Amaral is divorced and his ex wife and children live in the house. The McCanns will be making Mrs Amaral and her children homeless and penniless, if they win the lawsuit.
However the McCanns have lost two lawsuits against Goncalo Amaral, regarding the banning of his book, so they have little chance of winning this one. The McCanns also made an allegation against Dr Amaral, when they instructed their lawyer, to state that Dr Amaral, had made a false claim for legal aid from the Portuguese DSS.
The McCanns allegation, was deemed malicious and was thrown out of Court. The McCanns had to pay Court fees and expenses of Dr Amaral, not just in this case, but in the other two cases they lost against Dr Amaral.
However the money for the Court fees and expenses of Dr Amaral, didn’t come out of the McCanns bank accounts, the money came out If the fund, that was supposedly set up to find Madeleine.
If you want to read how more money from the fund is being spent, go on the You Tube website and type in the search box…Clarence Mitchell Spinning for the McCanns and Jane Tanner.
Mitchell was gloating about the McCanns successfully getting Dr Amaral’s book permanently banned. However Mitchell’s euphoria was short lived, because Dr Amaral went to the Appeals Court and got the ban overturned. The McCanns then appealed to the Supreme Court and the Judge found in Dr Amaral’s favour. These were first two cases the McCanns lost against Dr Amaral.
Anyway to get back to Clarence Mitchell, he speaks about the fund and he says donors of the fund, won’t mind Kate, Gerry and their wider family, using the fund to assist their finances, or words to that effect.
By the way, from what I can gather, Clarence’s hairstyle, comes with a Government health warning.
Kathybell said
One of their friends actually changed his story regarding his check. First of all he said, he didn’t enter the McCanns apartment when he went to check on their children, he said he just listened at the window. Then he changed his mind and said he did enter the apartment, but he didn’t go into the children’s bedroom. He said he never saw Madeleine, but he could see the twins in their cots.
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Completely false..
The files clearly state that Matthew Oldfield did TWO checks on the 3rd. The first was at around 9.00p.m. when he just listened outside the bedroom window and the other was at around 9.30 when he actually went into the apartment, but not into the bedroom.
At no time has he changed his ‘story’. Anyone wishing to check this simply has to read Matthew Oldfields rogatory statement.
i live across the road from a pub if i were to sit outside on an evening i could clearly see my front door, would i ever leave my children ( 6,4 and 19 months) to go for a drink NO i would not. i doubt the mcCanns story about abduction i believe to evidence points clearly to Maddie’s death. but if the mcCanns are only GUILTY of one thing it is neglect in leaving the children alone. if they were a lower class family living in a council house on benefits they would have been treated differently and blames from the start
Good morning Kiri
Here are a couple of links that you might find interesting.
http://www.mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/163-questions-the-mccanns-should-address-in-their-very-truthful-book/
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic15025.html
If you scroll down the page of the first link, you will see a list of questions which are numbered. Using the numbers at the side of the questions, I’ll make some points, which will show you just what kind of people the McCanns are and how they have changed their stories in various interviews.
(4) In one interview, the McCanns say the apartment was left unlocked, in case of a fire. They give a different reason in this question.
(8) When the McCanns were in Lisbon, trying to get Dr Amaral’s book permanently banned, they were asked by the media, how they knew Madeleine was abducted. ” I know I was there” was Kate McCanns answer. Really? If she was there, why didn’t she stop the abduction. The McCanns have always said they were sorry they weren’t there the minute Madeleine was taken. What were they going to do, wave her off?
(11) This question proves that Chicane was lying, when she said Gerry was out searching for Madeleine. The media weren’t the only ones who were told by the McCanns that they had never phsyically looked for Madeleine. They also told the GNR and later the PJ, that they had never physically searched for Madeleine.
The GNR suspected the McCanns story was flawed as soon as they discovered that the McCanns lied about the shutter. Their suspicions were confirmed as soon as they admitted they hadn’t looked for Madeleine. The PJ came to the same as the GNR and so did Scotland Yard, who advised the PJ to make the McCanns suspects. However it was too late by then, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, had begun to intervene with the case.
(12) One of the phonecalls the McCanns made, when they would have been out searching for Madeleine, if they had no involvement in her disappearance, was to their friend Jon Corner, who held a high profile position in the media. He was the one who arranged for the story to be put out in the British media.
(13) I said in a previous post, that Gerry told the media, that Madeleine was alone in the apartment, when she was “abducted.” Also Gerry said in one interview, how he looked down at sleeping Madeleine and thought how lucky he was to be her father.
In question 21, you will also see where Kate McCann states that at 21:30, Matthew Oldfield told her “I’ll check on Maddie for you.”
I’ll leave you to read the rest of the questions and make your own mind up.
In Kate McCann’s witness statement given to the Portuguese police on 4th May 2007 (regarding the previous day’s events) she says that Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. She and Gerry then stayed in the apartment, relaxing, until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with him.
On page 67 of her book she says Gerry left just before six (tennis) as she was drying the kids and putting on the twins’ nappies. When they were all in their PJs she gave the children some milk and a biscuit as well as crisps for an extra treat. While they were looking at their books and playing with games she took a quick shower. On every other evening she says she’d waited until the children were asleep before showering, but as they were ahead of schedule, and she wanted to feshen up after her run, she took advantage of these few quiet minutes. At around six-forty, as she was drying herself, there was a knock on the patio doors. She heard David’s voice calling her. She wrapped a towel around herself and went to the living room. David Payne had been asked by Gerry to see if she needed help. She didn’t – the children were tired and would forego the usual time at the playground.
She goes on to say that after he’d gone she quickly dressed and sat with the chidren.
On page 69 she says that between 7.15 and 7.30pm Gerry took his shower and that she went to blow-dry her wayward fringe. They then sat down for three-quarters of an hour or so and relaxed with a drink. Just after 8.30pm Gerry checked the children and they left for the tapas bar.
A few observations:
First a shower which cessated at six- forty. Then dressed – presumably not in her jogging gear again.Then a bath taken by 7.15 or 7.30pm – for she is blow-drying her fringe by then..
So there we are then, A shower AND a bath all in the space of 35 to 50 minutes or thereabouts. Pleased to be ahead of schedule one minute then back to the usual time-table the next. All according to her own accounts.
Also, if the children were put in their beds at around 7.30pm she could not have been blow drying her fringe at that point.
Already on page 68 she has said that Gerry returned at 7pm “prompt” and they all sat and chatted for a while before the children were shepherded through to do teeth – was it with one shared toothbrush? If so, this must have taken a while. Then Madeleine’s wee wee. Then stories and songs. Then Gerry through to say goodnight, the twins held by K and G to kiss M goodnight. Hmm. So the bath, the hairdrying, the wine, the relaxation. Hmm. One version sounds like an oasis of calm, the other like a speeded up film.
I can’t make head nor tail of it . Who was it who famously said something about all the confusion being a good thing?
It doesn’t matter where you look in this book there are discrepancies, changed accounts and added detail. The book has randomly fallen open at page 75 now, where she talks about wandering into the bedroom several times to check on the twins after Madeleine had gone. They were lying on their fronts in a kind of crouch, heads turned sideways, knees tucked up under tummies. She goes on to say that despite the noise the lights, the pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred and, that although sound sleepers, this seemed unnatural for them. She says: “Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. Had Madeleine been given some kind of sedative to keep her quiet. Had the twins, too?”
Crikey. Probably another one of those passing remarks.
I wonder if she did get them checked over in short order, blood tests done. You know, all the obvious things her training meant she was steeped in?
Surely she did? What, no?
How does one square being scared enough to check their breathing and then not giving it another thought until, what, months/ years later?
The children were later carried, still in this deep sleep, up to the Paynes’ apartment.
The McCanns refused to have their twins tested for sedatives when they were told they should do. Anyone else wouldn’t have been given the choice, the children would have been whisked away and tested wether their parents liked it or not.
However as the link below shows, Kate McCann and the twins were tested for drugs at a later date. At Kate McCann’s request.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570315/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-takes-drug-test.html
To be honest, I don’t believe these tests ever took place, especially when the McCanns refused to have the twins tested at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. The McCanns say they told the police that they thought the abductor had sedated Madeleine and the twins, yet they refused to have them tested.
The sedation theory was added at a later date by the McCanns, in another effort to convince the PJ that Madeleine was abducted.
If Kate McCann really did have herself and the twins tested for drugs, it’s a foregone conclusion that the tests would show Kate McCann and the twins clear of drugs. The result is as corrupt as the tests that were done in the UK, on the samples that were found in the McCanns apartment.
The samples that were found in the McCanns apartment were sent to a Portuguese laboratory, they came back as evidence that Madeleine had died in the McCanns apartment.
The McCanns didn’t accept this and asked for the samples to be tested in a UK laboratory. The tests according to the UK laboratory, were inconclusive and when the samples were meant to be returned to Portugal, they mysteriously disappeared. Just like Madeleine.
I don’t believe for one minute, that the twins were in the McCanns apartment, on the night Madeleine disappeared. In my previous posts, I have already said that Gerry told the media, Madeleine was alone when she disappeared. Also Kate McCann was asked 3 times, if the twins were in the apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared and she changed the subject each time she was asked.
Think about it, if the McCanns didn’t play any part in Madeleine’s disappearance apart from neglect, Kate McCann would not have left the twins alone in the apartment, when she ran to the Tapas Bar to raise the alarm. She would have opened the window and screamed for help, because the Tapas Bar could be seen from the apartment.
Photographs were taken around the McCanns apartment, on behalf of the GNR, when they came to investigate Madeleine. The twins cots had no blankets or pillows in the cots, even though the twins were in the apartment when the police arrived.
If the twins were taken up to the Payne’s apartment, while the police were there, the bedding would have had to remain in the cots, in case there was any evidence that an abduction took place.
Corruption is rife within this case and in my opinion, it will be corruption that exonerates the McCanns, when the review, reaches it’s conclusion.
I hope I am wrong, because it will be a travesty of justice for Madeleine and everyone who fought long and hard, to bring her parents to justice, if the McCanns are exonerated.
Kathybelle,
I’m happy to debate too, provided you respect my integrity.
Oh the irony, you accuse me of lying, while here you are, writing a pile of lies and falsehoods, you couldnit make up.
I just need to refute them, supported by source.
Don’t lecture me to read the PJ Files. I have read and studied the PJ Files for 5 years now.
There is NOT 1 proven McCann lie in the PJ Files. Fact.
I am not talking about small discrepancies ’cause that is only natural in a police investigation of this magnitude.
I challenge you to provide me the link of the forum that posted your list with 181 lies.
I’ll be happy to refute them all, sourced.
In 5 years time not ONE anti McCann came up with a credible account, not even a shred of evidence that justifies charges against the McCanns.
Nobody, except the perpetrator, knows what happened to Madeleine McCann and if she is dead or alive.
She is a missing person and needs to be found.
The McCanns were never arrested, they were never charged with anything, their arguido status was lifted and they were cleared from any suspicion, so presumed innocent until proven otherwise. These are all facts. Source:PJ Files
Portugal’s highest official in the prosecution, the Attorney General, José de Magalhaes e Menezes: McCanns: there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.
http://tinyurl.com/3jgtld8
Public opinion: everyone is entitled to their own opinion and freedom of speech, but freedom of speech should not include distortion of the truth, lies, fabrication and slander. Kate McCann: “The motives of those who have tried to convince the world that Madeleine is dead, and who’ve disgracefully and falsely tried to implicate us [Madeleine's parents] in her disappearance, need to be seriously questioned.”
From what I understand from you, is that in your opinion, the McCanns are not so innocent or are guilty of something. Remember they are NO suspects, they are presumed innocent, until proven otherswise!
So if you think the unthinkable and accuse them I expect a powerful statement who, what, why, when, how, etc.
Instead I read trivial claims, falsehoods, misquotings, misleading manipulated verbal regurgitation. not to say, excusé le mot, rubbish.
Just pick a few.
K.
The most famous lie of all, was the lie about the shutter being jemmied, that the McCanns told to the GNR.
False: McCanns never said that.
Extract Statement Kate Healy: http://tinyurl.com/bwyrqhn
Quote:….and immediately noticed that the door to her children’s bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.
Extract Statement Gerry McCann: http://tinyurl.com/c3yjbk7
Quote: ….She saw immediately that the door to the children’s bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the blinds were raised and the curtains were drawn open.
Yorkshire Post: The couple for whom every parent’s worst nightmare became a reality. http://tinyurl.com/bl5qfhz
Speaking in Glasgow, Ms Cameron told BBC News 24: “The front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jemmied open, or whatever you call it, and Madeleine was missing.”It looks as if somebody has come in the window, they’ve either been watching or they’ve targeted her.
K.
They had previously been asked if they had locked their apartment before they went out. They said yes, the abductor entered the apartment through the jemmied shutter and exited back through the jemmied shutter, with Madeleine in his arms.
It was only when the shutter, was found to be intact, that the McCanns admitted leaving their apartment unlocked. Lie number 2.
Rubbish. Again: McCanns never said this.
Extract Statement PJ Files Kate Healy: http://tinyurl.com/bwyrqhn
Matt Oldfield checking McCann’s children.
Quote: He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside etc.
And:
Quote ….At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children’s bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did”.
Extract Statement PJ Files Gerry McCann: http://tinyurl.com/9utr36y
Quote: “Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door”.
K
(Mark) Warner’s received many reports, that the McCanns children were crying when they were out. Warner staff were despatched to Chaplins, in order to tell the McCanns to return to their apartment, to see their crying children.
The McCanns always denied the reports of the children crying, they said once their children were asleep, they never woke up.
False. Nothing in the PJ Files indicates Warner received any reports of crying McCann children! Nothing in the PJFiles indicates that the McCanns went to Chaplins. They never were near Chaplins. This is a forummyth.
The only statement of a crying child was Mrs.Fenn statement, she heard a child crying for 75 minutes, but there is no evidence it was Madeleine, especially because Madeleine was NOT alone. Kate McCann arrived in the apartment, 16 minutes before a child somewhere in or out of the resort started crying. http://tinyurl.com/cgntknj
K.
The McCanns always denied the reports of the children crying, they said once their children were asleep, they never woke up.
False. McCanns never said this, so no need for denial.
K.
On the first anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance a documentary was shown and the McCanns told the media, that on the morning of the evening Madeleine disappeared, she told them, she and Sean had woken up and cried for them the previous evening.
100% Correct:
Extract from ‘Madeleine, One Year On’ : ITV Apr 30 2008 :
http://tinyurl.com/9nunfod
K.
There is no evidence that Madeleine was abducted, there is evidence that she came to harm in the McCanns apartment.
Theory: Madeleine died in the apartment
Sense & nonsense snifferdogs investigations McCanns apartment: http://tinyurl.com/3s75q2n
Cadaverscent is not tangable. Snifferdog Eddie alerts to Cadaverscent, blood and all kinds of decomposing body fluids, also fluids leaving the body of LIVING people. http://tinyurl.com/3jgqgbz
Video: Sniffer Dogs search the McCanns Hired Car: Eddie barks his head off. He alerts to dried blood on the car keyfob from LIVING Gerry McCann. http://tinyurl.com/49f44jt
It’s madness just to rely on the findings of the sniffer dogs. Their alerts are meaningless without corroborative evidence.
http://tinyurl.com/c95hluj
The results of the forensic examinations of the dogs findings did not identify any blood or DNA exclusive from Madeleine. (or her family) http://tinyurl.com/49f44jt
So Maddie died in the apartment? Accidental or otherwise, parents involved, concealed Madeleine’s body??
Conclusions: NO MEANS, NO MOTIVE, NO OPPORTUNITY, NO (EYE)WITNESSES, NO EVIDENCE DOGS FINDINGS, NO OTHER FORENSIC EVIDENCE, NOT A SPOT OF BLOOD, NO DNA EXCLUSIVE BELONGING TO MADELEINE EVER FOUND IN APARTMENT 5a OR THE HIRED CAR. THESE ARE ALL FACTS!!
More significantly, there is absolutely no character history to indicate any of these people have the psychological mind set to both commit a terrible crime (perfectly) and then go on to parade their criminality in our faces though setting up a fraudulent fund and barefaced maintaining the lie over a substantial period of time, now 5 YEARS. http://t.co/ENngIqy
Theory 2: Evidence of Abduction:http://tinyurl.com/3zkyalg
Shutter raised, window open, curtains open, Madeleine gone; Two sets of DNA as yet unidentified; Unidentified footprints,
About 12 unidentified fingerprints: patiodoor, patiohandle, window INSIDE, shutter, doorhandle children’s bedroom: PJ Files
2 GNR Dogs picked up Madeleine’s scent and both dogs followed trail to parking lot. http://tinyurl.com/7k5jgvc
Madeleine’s question at breakfast;
Jane Tanner, & Four members of the Smith family: FIVE eyewitnesses, independently of one another, stated to have seen a man with child on foot walking on the streets of PDL.
Margaret Hall statement: attempt to kidnapping 6 months before Maddie. http://tinyurl.com/d7wt6ga
There had also been several reported cases of men entering apartments and getting into bed with children http://tinyurl.com/c2w2qof
At least two credible sightings:
Marrakech – Morocco (Busra) http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09/maddyspot_450x271.jpg
Brussels – Belgium – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT82-o1_qIc
Finally, statistics: statistically the likelihood of the parents pulling off the most successful and audacious crime in living memory under the circumstances we know is incalculable, because it would be unprecedented, therefore it is statistically far less likely than an abduction. Its that simple.
So, no evidence of abduction? Hardly. In fact the opposite: there is more than enough evidence of abduction, but there is none whatsoever that Madeleine died in the apartment.
http://tinyurl.com/3zkyalg
K.
The McCanns have not been cleared of anything, because they have not been prosecuted for the crimes they have committed.
NOTE: I must warn you: this is libel and defamation, because there is not a shred of evidence Kate & Gerry McCann committed ANY crime. Keep in mind: They are innocent until proven otherwise!!
McCanns were cleared from any suspicion, they had their arguido status lifted and in a statement to the press, the Attorney General, having reviewed the investigation, has ruled there is NO evidence to suggest that the McCanns are anything other than entirely innocent. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/19/madeleine-mccann-book-ban-overturned
K.
The case isn’t closed it is only shelved, if the case is taken down from the shelf, and the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, re starts, the McCanns will resume their status as arguidos along with Robert Murat.
False.
Portugal wil never reopen the case if its concerns the McCanns, unless in an insane situation the McCanns stunned the world with a confession: Excluded! No reconstruction, and no more arguido status for the McCanns and Robert Murat when the case is reopened.
K.Scotland Yard and DCI Redwood.
IMO, I think you are quite disrespectful towards one of world’s best law enforcements.
I dismiss your rant over Scotland Yard and DCI Andy Redwood.
I have the impression you are only interested in confirmation of your claims, never mind if supported or not with any evidence, or
dont bother me with the facts, my mind is made up.
It doesn’t work that way.
REDWOOD: Dismissing conspiracy theories about Madeleine’s parents’ involvement
http://tinyurl.com/d9jyo43
REDWOOD: said he believed the girl’s disappearance was the result of “a criminal act by a stranger”.
http://tinyurl.com/bu7l49
SY: Met Police ‘Real possibility’ Madeleine McCann is alive
http://tinyurl.com/bu7l49s
K.
The McCanns are suing Goncalo Amaral, for writing in his book his conclusion that Madeleine died in the McCanns apartment and the McCanns covered up her scent. (??)
Yes, McCanns sue Amaral and he has no leg to stand on.
Oh the irony, Amaral who falsely accused the McCanns of committing a crime & cover it up, he is the ONLY person CONVICTED for covering up a crime.
The day after Madeleine went missing, Amaral was made Arguido in another missing child case, and in May he was convicted and sentenced to a year and a half in prison with suspended sentence for falsifying evidence, coverup a crime, and lie about it in court (perjury). http://tinyurl.com/9cxvnvv
Amaral was kicked from the Madeleine investigations, but as an Arguido he should never been near the case!
Arguido Tavares de Almeida, and two others are charged with the torture of Virgilino Borges:4 broken ribs, bruises to his throat, stomach and back. http://tinyurl.com/2xnhfo
Tavares Almeida: http://tinyurl.com/9dxtk7r
Both Amaral and de Almeida were named in the Amnesty International report: http://tinyurl.com/8wxz5dt
Another mate of Amaral, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão wrote a book about Madeleine McCann, and is as vice-president of footballclub Sporting, now charged with five crimes: suspected of embezzlement, breach of trust and fraud.
http://tinyurl.com/cbsjeot
Sadly Madeleine’s disappereance was investigated by a bunch of criminals!
K.
A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation dated 10 september 2007.
For various reasons a very tendentious interim report, but nevertheless irrelevant. What counts is the “PJ Final report”: juni 2008
http://t.co/kfkGAMk, and Attorney General’s report, “Archiving of the Madeleine Process”, juli 2008. http://tinyurl.com/3jgtld8
K.
Madeleine has been dissed by her parents and her wider family, along with the British Government and other high profile people, who had an agenda for making sure her parents were never prosecuted for the crimes they committed, that lead to Madeleine’s disappearance.
Madeleine has not been dissed by her parents or wider family. Madeleine was and is a very much wanted and deeply loved child. Every picture of her shows us a very happy child.
A dramatic misjudgement with disastrous consequences ruined the life of all five members of the McCann family and their wider family. I don’t believe in conspiracies or a cover up. If the McCanns committed a crime, they were arrested, indicted, appeared in court and if found guilty, they received a jail sentence. Period.
K.
Madeleine has also been dissed for the past 5yrs, by her parents supporters, who trawl around message boards and forums, insulting her parents critics and posting lies, in their quest to make the McCanns out to be innocent.
What nonsense. It is the other way around.
http://tinyurl.com/cbcd4xl
I see you are member of the anti McCann forum: Missing Madeleine.
http://tinyurl.com/bpbru4t
Re: Why Did Kate Not Search For Madeleine McCann?
Post kathybelle on Mon 06 Aug 2012, 8:55 pm
Hi Annabel
Thank you for the link. I registered on the website and made a post and I was amazed, but very pleased, to see the post was accepted by the moderators.
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I see people like me, called pros, supporting the search for Madeleine, stand up against anti ‘s or worse a digital lynchmob terrorizing and demonizing the parents on a daily basis (!) and insist Madeleine is dead, without any evidence to support such claim.
K.: I am a staunch Madeleine supporter and because Madeleine has been denied a voice by her parents and their supporters, I will speak out for Madeleine.
No, you’re not. Writing off a missing child is not what Madeleine needs. Your words:
However the McCanns behaviour and the evidence that was found in their apartment, is a sure sign Madeleine is no longer alive.
Pillorying the McCanns is the vilest sport of all
http://t.co/cR4X5qd
K.
I know thousands and thousands of people in Portugal the UK and other countries, think the same way as I do.
You can always hope, but reality is, there is a small group, about 100 people, on Internet, spreading lies and hate.
Stalking the McCanns http://tinyurl.com/d7qoyq8
Called in the media: Sicko’s, trolls http://tinyurl.com/bplo7ju
The-wilful-and-intentional-lies-and-abuse-on-twitter
http://tinyurl.com/cbcd4xl
Kathybelle, there is more, there is no end to your rant against the grieving parents of a missing child. Thank God the family McCann don’t read all the rubbish spread over the internet. I have had enough. Debate is over.
STOLEN VOICE
I am the ball that scores political goals
I am the force for bigots and trolls
I am the reason to justify a cause
I am the flag that is taken to wars
I am the paper for writing poison in stacks
I am the bullet that starts the attacks
I am the knife that stabs in the dark
I am the confrontational spark
I am all of these things but not from my choice
I am unable to speak with my stolen voice
I am crying for everyone to know who I AM
The missing child who is MADELEINE McCANN
http://tinyurl.com/d4tb3wd
Chicane
I’m not surprise you are still writing your version of events. However you are insulting the very people you are supporting, the McCanns, when you say I am posting things that they never said. You are also insulting the McCanns family and friends, when you say I am posting things the McCanns never said.
If you had read the files you will be able to read the the things that I have posted regarding the things the McCanns have said.
You say the McCanns never said the shutter was jemmied, well they did and the also told their high profile media friend, John Corner, that the shutter was smashed. His statement, along with the statements their family and friends made, regarding the shutter and other scenarios, that you say I have made up, are all available to read in the files.
If you had read the files you would have seen these statements yourself.
I have to go out now, but before I go, I will make the point that you have insulted the most important person of all, when you lied and tried to rewrite history, in your posts, which you wrote for no other reason than to try to brainwash the McCanns critics, that the McCanns were innocence.
The most important person you have insulted is Madeleine. Now you can insult me as much as you like, I’ve been insulted before by the McCanns followers and I will be insulted again. Leave Madeleine out of your insulting posts, she needs people to fight for justice for her. She doesn’t need people like yourself, fighting for her parents, who deemed their time with their mates, more precious than their time with their 3 tiny toddlers.
K.
I’m not surprise you are still writing your version of events.-
Not my version, but facts, evidence from the PJ Files.
K.
However you are insulting the very people you are supporting, the McCanns, when you say I am posting things that they never said. You are also insulting the McCanns family and friends, when you say I am posting things the McCanns never said.
You do post things they never said or did. I have with quite convincing evidence demonstrated, what McCanns actually said or have done, in other words quoting the McCanns is, according to you, insulting them?
The mind boggles.
K.
If you had read the files you will be able to read the things that I have posted regarding the things the McCanns have said.
I suggest you START reading the files, as you obviously never did, otherwise you wouldn’t write the garbage for which there is, of course, not a shred of evidence.
K
You say the McCanns never said the shutter was jemmied, well they did.
Again, McCann’s never said it. So now YOU insult the McCanns. Right?
K.
They also told their high profile media friend, John Corner, that the shutter was smashed.
It is not John Corner, it is Jon Corner. He is not only their (high profile media) friend. Jon’s wife is Kate McCanns friend since nursery.
The Corners are godparents of Amelie.
K.
His statement, along with the statements their family and friends made, regarding the shutter and other scenarios, that you say I have made up, are all available to read in the files. If you had read the files you would have seen these statements yourself.
There is NOT ONE statement from Jon Corner in the PJ Files. Fact!
Your claim does NOT match with the statements of their family and friends.
The debate was not about Jon Corner and 3 different interpretations of what Kate would have said.
The debate was about your claim: Quote:
The most famous lie of all, was the lie about the shutter being jemmied, that the McCanns told to the GNR.
Kate and Gerry McCann never said this, so never told to the GNR.
It is a lie.
It was Gerry’s sister, Patricia Cameron’s interpretation, she is the only one using the word jemmied.
K. I I have to go out now, but before I go, I will make the point that you have insulted the most important person of all, when you lied and tried to rewrite history, in your posts, which you wrote for no other reason than to try to brainwash the McCanns critics, that the McCanns were innocence.
I assume you meant Madeleine.
Claiming she is dead, the McCann haters daily mantra, is beyond any insult. It is appalling.
If you stop spreading falsehoods, and hateful misinformation I wouldn’t be here repeating facts and evidence from the only source with legal validity available to the public, the PJ Files. What nonsense about rewriting history, brainwash.
Grow a brain.
K.
The most important person you have insulted is Madeleine.
Oh dear, I smell a rat, it is called hypocrisy??
K.
Now you can insult me as much as you like, I’ve been insulted before by the McCanns followers and I will be insulted again. Leave Madeleine out of your insulting posts, she needs people to fight for justice for her. She doesn’t need people like yourself, fighting for her parents, who deemed their time with their mates, more precious than their time with their 3 tiny toddlers.
I decide when and why I mention Madeleine!!
Yes, we defend and support the McCann family and fight with them against the lynchmob on internet.
The rest of your drivel comes from Bennett’s Guide&Handbook, with tips and tricks for the McCann haters to keep the hate and smear campaign going. The man’s sick obsession with the McCanns, leads him to the brink of financial abyss: The McCanns are still innocent.
Cuckoo Foundation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKWDI9tCMl8
Why has Kate not come out and appealed for Tia’s return, in her roll as ambassador for missing people and being a child has disappeared , she should be out and about showing solidarity .. Bit selfish , probably seeing which way it pans out, if the family are involved she’ll keep quiet, how utterly selfish, poor Tia. Then she didn’t physically search for Madeleine, poor child.
I’m not surprised that Kate McCann hasn’t commented on missing Tia. One only has to look at her behaviour and the behavour, of her husband, before and after Madeleine disappeared, to know that she is not a child friendly person.
If Kate McCann had one decent bone in her body, she would have refused the role of ambassador for “The Missing Peoples Charity, on the basis that it was the fault of her and her husband that Madeleine is no longer around, whether she was abducted or not.
The arrogant McCanns have never accepted any responsibility for Madeleine’s disappearance. Since the day Madeleine disappeared, they have always protested their innocence. “We are innocent, we’ve done nothing wrong” is one of Gerry McCann’s regular bleats.
The nearest the McCanns have ever come to apologising to Madeleine, is when the McCanns have said regarding Madeleine’s disappearance, “We are sorry we weren’t with Madeleine at that minute she was taken.”
The McCanns weren’t sorry that they had left Madeleine and the twins, night after night after night, in that very dangerous environment.
Neither were the McCanns weren’t sorry they’d left Madeleine on the evening of the morning she had supposedly told them that along with Sean she had cried for them and they never came. In fact they brazenly told the media, that they had dismissed what Madeleine supposedly told them, because she carried on playing. “We nearly didn’t go out” Kate McCann said ” Then we decided we would.” What was it that made the McCanns prefer the company of their friends, to the health and safety of their 3 toddlers?
Kate McCann once said “We were so into our friends.” They must have been, to prefer them to their toddlers.
The only good thing about Kate McCann’s role as an ambassador, is the role was only for 12 weeks. I looked at some of the people who were involved with this charity. Lorraine Kelly, is one of them. She is a staunch supporter of the McCanns and she has said she will nominate Kate McCann, for a medal in the next Queen’s Honours.
Fiona Phillips, who is another self confessed child neglector, as well as a staunch supporter of the McCanns is also involved with the charity.
I know the charity received emails, from people who were furious at Kate McCanns appointment as an ambassador. I was one of the people who emailed and I received an email from the charity and they said that although the had received these emails, they hoped people would support the charity.
I replied and told them in no uncertain terms, that they would never get a penny from me. I could never support a charity for missing people, who has employed the child neglector Kate McCann as an ambassador. I also pointed out that Kate McCann along with her husband, does not accept any responsibility whatsoever, for Madeleine’s disappearance.
I quote from above: “Jane Tanner, & Four members of the Smith family: FIVE eyewitnesses, independently of one another, stated to have seen a man with child on foot walking on the streets of PDL.”
That’s right, but the poster is missing out a couple of relevant facts:
An independent witness contradicts Jane Tanner’s evidence. Jeremy Wilkins is adamant that she did NOT walk past him and Gerry when they were talking as they were on the same side of the street and she would have had to squeeze past them on the pavement. Gerry says they were talking on the other side of the road. This is not a minor discrepancy because if Jeremy is right, then Jane Tanner’s evidence is discredited.
The independent witness Martin Smith (one of the group of four people) is 80% sure that the man he saw carrying a child that evening was Gerry Mccann.
Good info on here – must have a read when I have time. Alex.
Hello Alex
You might find the link below interesting.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html
Hi Alex
Alex,
JEREMY WILKINS
Quote:
An independent witness contradicts Jane Tanner’s evidence.
I don’t agree: Wilkins is a witness and therefore he is part of an incident. Wilkins is autonomous, but can’t be seen separated from this incident.
Quote:
Jeremy Wilkins is adamant that she did NOT walk past him and Gerry when they were talking as they were on the same side of the street and she would have had to squeeze past them on the pavement.
False. This is what Wilkins actually said.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm
Question:. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group’s apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.
Quote:
Gerry says they were talking on the other side of the road. This is not a minor discrepancy because if Jeremy is right, then Jane Tanner’s evidence is discredited.
The fact that these witnesses’ perception differs is annoying, but in no way was Jane Tanner’s evidence discredited.
This is what the PJ wrote in her Final Report:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm
pages 55 and 56
The physical, real and effective, proximity between JANE TANNER, GERALD McCANN and JEREMY WILKINS, at the moment when the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our understanding, as unusual that neither GERALD McCANN nor JEREMY WILKINS did not see her, nor the alleged abductor, despite the small dimensions of the space;
Jane Tanner made her first statement on May 4th.2007. At that moment she had never heard of the Smith Family. Their statements was made on May 26th.2007. Kate McCann believes the Smith sighting is highly significant:
Ch4: Madeleine was here ….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw
http://p.twimg.com/AmrL0MgCQAEamCb.jpg:large
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The independent witness Martin Smith (one of the group of four people) is 80% sure that the man he saw carrying a child that evening was Gerry Mccann.
Nice try, Alex, but it won’t work
Martin Smith:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane. After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later. This statement has been read over to me and is correct.
NOTE: Martin Smith’s wife did not want to make a statement about this.
PJ FINAL REPORT: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm
Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.
Confirmed by staff Tapas Restaurant.
You are still trying to make heroes out of the McCanns. Why can’t you see that there is nothing good about Gerry McCann sitting at the table in the Tapas Bar? This cruel child neglector should have been sitting in his apartment along with his wife, taking proper care of their 3 toddlers.
When you have children, it is your responsibility, to take proper care of them, until they are of an age where they can take care of themselves.
The McCanns made sure their children were in a safe environment during the day, while they whiled away their leisure time with their mates. Then they left them in a very dangerous environment in the evenings, while the spent more leisure time with the same mates, they had spent all day with.
The 30 minute checks the McCanns said they made on the nights previous to Madeleine’s disappearance, may be acceptable to you Chicane, but they certainly aren’t acceptable to people who take their responsibilities regarding child care seriously.
The night Madeleine disappeared, the McCanns admitted they made one check each and their checks were 55 minutes apart. The McCanns said their friends were checking Madeleine, Sean and Amelie, in between their checks, but not one of their friends said they saw Madeleine, because they never went into the bedroom.
One said he didn’t enter the apartment, he said he listened at the window. He then changed his story and said he did enter the apartment, but he didn’t go into the children’s bedroom. He said he could see the twins in their cots from the door. Really? The twins cots were between Madeleine’s bed and the spare bed. They couldn’t be seen from the door.
In one interview, the McCanns were asked to explain their relationship with their Tapas mates. Kate McCann said, it’s hard to explain why, but we were “so into” our friends.
In the same interview, they were asked to explain why they never took their children with them when they went out in the evening. Kate said they took them with them the first evening, when they dined at the Millenium Restaurant, but because of the long walk and the fact they didn’t have a buggy, they decided they would leave them in bed and dine at the Tapas Bar.
The McCanns were asked why didn’t they stay in with their children. Gerry said “Well it was our holiday too.”
The McCanns were known to have told 181 lies since the day the Portuguese police (GNR) came to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance. When Kate said the reason they never took the children back to the Millenium Restaurant, was because they didn’t have a buggy, it was a lie.
The McCanns were seen pushing a buggy with Madeleine walking alongside of them, when they visited Sagres on the 30th of April. The day after Madeleine disappeared, the buggy made a miraculous reappearance.
No doubt the buggy was used when they went to the Millenium Restaurant and the days after. However there would be no media to report that fact, because Madeleine was still around. Although not for much longer.
Chicane, the more you and the other McCann followers, try to make out that the McCanns are the victims in this case. Many others including myself, will be here to prove that the real victim is Madeleine. The perpetrators of Madeleine’s disappearance are her parents.
There is no proof Madeleine was abducted, there is proof she came to harm in the McCanns apartment. Cadaver scent was found on 2 items of Kate McCann’s clothing, 1 item of a t-shirt that had been worn by Madeleine and Cuddle Cat.
Cadaver scent was not found on Gerry McCann’s clothing nor was it found on the twins clothing.
Kate McCann’s mother, told the media that the cadaver scent on her daughter’s clothing came from the 6 bodies her daughter had examined, in the 1½ days she worked, before she went on holiday.
The scent on Cuddle Cat, was because her daughter took Cuddle Cat to work with her. Really? I wonder what the families of the deceased people thought, when they saw their locum carrying a soft toy when she came to examine their loved one.
John Corner, the McCanns high profile media friend, who was also Godfather to the twins, told the media that he bought the toy for Madeleine, for her 4th birthday. He gave Madeleine the toy the day before she went on holiday to Portugal, because he wouldn’t be seeing her on her birthday.
It seems Corner hadn’t been briefed that Kate McCann had supposedly taken the toy with her, when she went to examine the dead bodies.
I’m going for some lunch now Chicane, I will with baited breath to see what other excuses you come out with, for the McCanns behaviour, towards their 3 tiny toddlers.
By regarding your post were you ask me to prove that that the McCanns told 181 lies. I have already proved to you the McCanns lied about the shutter, after you were adamant that it was me who was telling lies. If you want to know what the other lies were, go to the PJ files website and see for yourself.
So now poor Tia is found after cadaver dogs were sent in, well done those dogs, please don’t let anyone say otherwise, I’ve noticed some dissing the dogs findings, why? and also dissing anyone that tries/tried to help in the search for Madeleine if certain people are not to their liking. But they don’t mind dodgy Halligan and the incompetent private eyes, beggars belief. Thank you all that have gone over to PDL to help, actively doing your best, anyone can sit at the computer all day long “searching”.
Hi Linda
You might find this link very interesting, especially the second video, where Gerry McCann is ridiculing the cadaver dogs.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/11/gerry-mccann-ask-dogs-sandra.html
Below is a link that I have put on here specially for Chicane, who says the information I put on here is all lies. Especially the information regarding the McCanns claim to the PJ, family and friends, that the shutter was jemmied/smashed/damaged.
Chicane says she has read the files and there is no truth whatsoever, that the McCanns claimed the shutter was jemmied. Chicane says she won’t be debating with me anymore, however, she won’t be able to resist having a peek at my posts.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html
K.
Where is the link to the so clled 181 McCann lies??? Still waiting…
When I have time I will come back on your new drivel
I was in a state when my 8 year old daughter wandered off from a changing room in M&S. My hubby and I were running around the store screaming out her name. She had gone with an assistant to get a different size outfit for me and got lost on the way back.I was frantic. I felt sick, my head hurt and panic like I’ve never felt before or since.
I cannot imagine not searching for my children. I cannot imagine why you would run back to your tapas friends and start calling high profile people rather than get out there looking. I have no idea how they would instantly conclude she had been abducted. Like you, I would have firstly assumed that she had gone looking for her mum and dad. Mind you, I never have, and never would, leave my children alone in any hotel/apartment.
I can only conclude that Kate and Jerry McCann knew where Madeleine was from the very beginning – sad as that is.
Good morning Godders 45, I completely agree with your post. I know what it’s like to have a child get lost in a store. I let go of his hand while I looked at a garment and when I looked round he’d gone. Luckily he was only gone for a minute or so and he was only in the next aisle, but I know the sickly feeling, the feeling of panic and the feeling of guilt.
I also know that the McCanns are responsible for whatever happened to Madeleine, whether she was abducted or not. The McCanns however don’t believe they are responsible, they have been saying for the past 5yrs that they are innocent and they’ve done nothing wrong.
Here are just a few of the reasons why I believe the McCanns are more involved with Madeleine’s disappearance than neglect.
(1) They lied from the minute the GNR began to investigate the case.
(2) They gave a lame excuse for not searching for Madeleine.
(3) They phoned Gordon Brown and asked him for help, when they should have been out looking for Madeleine. They also phoned their high profile media friend, along with their family and other friends, when they should have been out looking for Madeleine.
(4) The excuse the McCanns gave for not searching for
Madeleine, was because for 48hrs they were completely non functioning. Their behaviour after Madeleine’s shows they were completely in control of the situation.
Further proof of how the McCanns were completely in control, was when they put Sean and Amalie, back in the creche less than 48hrs after Madeleine disappeared, so they could resume their leisure activities.
(5) Gerry McCann wrote daily blogs and in these blogs he described what he and his wife were doing. He spoke of how they surpassed their personal best at jogging, how they went for long beach walks and how they were entertaining their friends and family. He even described what they were having for lunch.
In one of these blogs, which was only a few days after Madeleine disappeared.
Gerry spoke of a fund raising event, that he and his wife were arranging. He said the event wouldn’t take place on the 1st anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, it would be sooner than that. This was further proof that the McCanns knew exactly what happened to Madeleine and they knew she was never coming home.
Below is a link to information you might find interesting.
http://gerrymccann-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann-50.html
Anyone who wants to read the information in the link, might find that they have to be a member to read the information. If this happens, just type in the Google box “The McCanns abuse of power” and the link will open
The whole thing is dodgy, Im sorry but they were professionals, clever people, you DONT leave young kids alone in an apartment in a diff country, let alone your own! Theres somethin dodgy bout this whole story
Kate is this Gerry is that boohoo! THEY LEFT THEIR CHILDREN ALONE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY AT NIGHT!!! THEY PUT GETTING PISSED WITH THEIR PALS BEFORE THE HEALTH SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF THEIR CHILDREN!! ANY OTHER SCUMMY DIRTY PARENT WOULD BE JAILED FOR THIS ALONE BUT NOT THEM, WHY, BECAUSE THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL,’S HUH, I PITY THE TWINS I REALLY DO! POOR MADDIE IS MISSING BECAUSE OF HER PARENTS AND ONLY THEM IF THEY HAD ACTED AS A PARENT SHOULD SHE WOULD BE AT HOME NOW!!
Thank you KathyBelle, I have been reading what you put up and have shown my friends. Totally agree with all you say.
I think most of us at some point have had a child wander off to look at something , I know I have and have read others too. It happens to the best of us. I panicked, my heart stopped and I was imagining allsorts. He was looking at books and was found very quickly but to me it was instinct to find him. Im his mother its my job to protect him. That time made me phisically sick to my stomach.
I was lucky, I found my son but I dont know what I would have done if he wasent found. My heart tells me to search forever till h
I do believe the mother is guilty of something. She strikes me as a very cold, calculating woman. I dont know why its just a gut feeling
Madeline IS somewhere, dead or alive but shes somewhere and whatever her fate its ultimately the parents fault she is where she is.
sorry for spelling my phones got jam on it.
Chicane,
I obviously referred to Jeremy Wilkins as an ‘independent witness’ because he was not one of the Mccann’s mates, he met Gerry on the holiday, so I think you are clutching at straws to criticise me for saying that.
You claim it is false that Jeremy Wilkins was adament that Jane Tanner did not walk past him and Gerry when they were chatting. I quote 31 Oct 2007 interview with Leicestershire Police “He was adament that he did not see anyone else in the area”. Not false at all. This same document says that Jeremy “crossed the road” to talk to Gerry who was outside his gate. Gerry is on video on Youtube saying that he thinks they chatted on the opposite side of the road ‘but it doesn’t really matter’ ya di ya. But it does matter because it makes it impossible that Wilkins would not see her!
You rightly point out that Jeremy Wilkins did see Jane Tanner at some point that evening, but you have made a mistake because he saw her when he first went out, about 30 mins/3/4 hour earlier in the evening, so this sighting is irrelevant to the point I was making. Remember, he is ADAMENT that he did not see her when he chatted with Gerry. It does not matter that he did not know her – he saw NOBODY!
As for independent witnesses providing an alibi for Gerry for the time of the Smith sighting, who actually says this apart from members of the Tapas 9? Please provide a name so I can read what they say. I am aware that the PJ Files, as you quoted, have ‘established’ that Gerry was at the table, but do you actually have the name of who establishes that? Independent witnesses – not their mates? I thought that with all the comings and goings from the dining table that no-one was really sure of who was where at what time.
Alex
Clutching at straws. For what? No need to. Just your interpretation. I just give my opinion.
You should have put a link with your claim, we wouldn’t have a discussion. Not that it matters. Wilkins said what he said in the Rogatory file. So my claim still stands!!
Tapas Staff? I think I can help you with that: Joaquim Jose Moreira Baptista http://tinyurl.com/c9qn9eh; Ricardo A.D. Oliveira http://tinyurl.com/cgl22dc
Or else look in the PJ Files under Tapas bar.
It’s a very strange case. There are a lot of people who think that the father killed (accidentally) and denial.
People say things for several reasons. Stick to the FACTS, EVIDENCE in the OFFICIAL POLICE FILES and you will see there is not a shred of evidence Gerry or Kate McCann were involved in the disappereance of Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/
The PJ files are made up of statements from the McCanns, their mates and other witnesses. According to Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, who came to the same conclusion as Dr Goncalo Amaral, regarding the demise of Madeleine, the McCanns and their Tapas mates, lied from day one.
One of the waiters from the Tapas Bar, said some nights, none of the Tapas group ever left their tables. Dianne Webster, the mother of one of the Tapas group, made a statement saying said each set of parents, was only responsible for checking their own children.
Don’t you find it strange that according to the McCanns, their mates checked Madeleine Sean and Amelie, yet they never checked the children of their mates? Of course we now know that these checks were fake, because the ones who were supposed to be checking the children, changed their stories regarding the checks and all of them said they never saw Madeleine.
Jeremy Wilkins, wasn’t the only one who never saw Jane Tanner, at the time she supposedly saw man carrying a child.
Below is a link you might find interesting.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html
K.
You know, you spin and lie so much, I have seen postings under another nickname of you, I think you should be ashamed of yourself. You have so much hate in you, that you throw at the McCanns, in the hope it sticks. People you don’t even know and will never meet. They are complete strangers to you, so I find your hatred not normal.
I think it is sick. You should seek help, because something is really wrong with you.
Lol Chicane, you really do need to get a life. First of all you hurled insults at me, hoping I would disappear. You discovered pretty quickly, that I wasn’t going anywhere, so decided to try to frighten me by going down the legal action route.
Because I am still here, you have now resorted to desperate measures. You are now trawling internet forums, looking for posts that resemble mine and your whooping with joy, because you’ve found some.
What are you going to do with the information Chicane?
K.Lol Chicane, you really do need to get a life.
No worries. My life is full energy, beautiful things and no place for hate. Love wins.
You fill an empty life with negative trolling the internet, spouting hatred to parents of a missing child. You think you are a hero? Think again.
K.
First of all you hurled insults at me, hoping I would disappear.
No, I was brave debating with you, but you are a horrible pitchforker, so I disappeared for a while.
K
You discovered pretty quickly, that I wasn’t going anywhere, so decided to try to frighten me by going down the legal action route.
Frighten you?? You have a big secret? You are hiding something??LOLOL
What legal action route?? What are you on about? Rubbish. 1) I enjoy the sun and my garden, it is far too hot and I am too lazy for any action against a boring anti McCann 2) you’re a barking mad woman and totally not relevant.
K.
Because I am still here, you have now resorted to desperate measures.
I have?? Whatever floats your boat dear. I am not desperate by the way.
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Truth is on my side for 5 years
K.
You are now trawling internet forums, looking for posts that resemble mine and your whooping with joy, because you’ve found some.
Oh dear, you have a twisted, paranoia, conspiracy mind. Be assured: you are not important enough for such a strenuous action, lazy…. remember.
No, friends tipped me about you. It is that simple.
K.
What are you going to do with the information Chicane?
Err…in the bin
Chicane,
The link you provided takes me to Jeremy Wilkin’s statement where he says that he saw Jane Tanner when he first left home which was about half an hour or so earlier than when Gerry and Jeremy were talking, so that sighting of her is irrelevant. Your own link also has Jeremy saying how unlikely it was that Jane could have walked by without him noticing.
Here is a link to what Wilkins told Leicestershire Police when they interviewed him on 31 October 2007 when the event was fresh in his mind. Referring to the time he was talking to Gerry, ‘He was adament that he did not see anyone else in the area’ and it also says that he ‘crossed the road’ to talk to Gerry.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id327.html
I will try to find the Youtube link of Gerry saying that he thinks Jeremy is wrong about which side of the road they are on, ‘but it doesn’t really matter’.
By embracing the truth we can find out what happened to that little girl.
KathyBelle,
I followed your link. Wow! The Ocean Club Manager thought that Jane was somewhere else at the time Gerry and Jeremy were talking! I know a lot about this case but there is so much info to take in.
Chicane,
I read the statements that ylou linked to. One says nothing about Gerry being at the table at the time of the Smith sighting (he says he was in the kitchen and between 10 and 10.30 someone told him a child was missing). The other says he only saw one person leave the table all night (which means that he did not see Jane or anyone else leave either) and at ‘about’ 9.45 they were all seated at the table. ABOUT 9.45 but he cannot be sure. He also said A FEW MINUTES LATER only Diane was at the table. The Smith sighting was at about 9.50pm. Chicane, you are so biased I wonder if you are being paid by them, or you are Kate herself!
I also avised you to look in the PJ files Tapas Bar. Anyway the PJ investigation result in PJ conclusion: Gerry at the table in Tapas Restaurant. Period.
It is YOU and the McCann haters who are biased in blind obsession. I won’t dignify you with an answer on what is utter bollocks.
Calm down Calm down Chicane, you’ll blow a gasket if you keep on the way you are.
Whahaha….no I am the Queen of Sheba
omg! how can people get so worked up over this its opinions is everyone not entitled to their opinions, come on people checking files and mcann haters wtf just cause people have opinions on it dont make them haters
I can’t wether r not the parents are involved in what happened but they sure are responsible for why it happened !!!!!!!
I wouldn’t leave my
13, 12 & 2 year old alone in their own house whine I nipped to the shop never mind leave them in an unfamiliar apartment in a foreign country while I socialised !!!!!!!!!!
It has bot all to do with hating. Actually, I almost pity the McCanns because they have created their very own myth of Sisyphus which will be a lifelong curse to them.
I have lived long enough to see that justice moves in mysterious ways. There is always a price to be paid for wrongdoing and justice will prevail, often in an unpredictable way.
Whilst many think the McCanns should have been prosecuted for child neglect, the fact is they were not treated like other offenders.But make no mistake, a price will be exacted – in what way we may never know. The McCanns will never be free of the taint of their actions – and that is a racing certainty, no matter how many reputation managers they employ.
Hi Kingfisher, I agree with everything you have said in your post and here’s what I think. If the McCanns are never brought to justice in a court of law, they will receive justice, when Sean and Amelie are older and find out for themselves, exactly what happened on that so called family holiday.
Sean and Amelie, have been fed the McCanns version of events, for the past 5yrs. They are now 7yrs of age and it won’t be too long before they are told in the playground by their playmates, what they have overheard their parents saying about this case.
For the past 5yrs Gerry McCann has wanted all forums and message boards closing down, because of the critical remarks that have been made against them. However quite recently, he has said that he wants them closing down, before Sean and Amelie are able to access the internet.
However, it won’t make any difference whether forums or message boards are closed down, the information is in the files and the information against the McCanns is damning.
When Sean and Amelie read this information, I wouldn’t like to be in the McCanns shoes.
When Gerry McCann is giving a media interview, he is still behaving in the same cavalier way, he has behaved for the past 5yrs. He is still smirking or laughing, when he is asked questions that would break the heart of another parent with a missing child.
Kate is still portraying that hard faced look, but she has aged considerably, which to me shows she is scared of the future.
Whatever happens in the McCanns household regarding Sean and Amelie, the McCanns will always be dreading that knock on the door, which could signal the end of their days of freedom. When they are out and about, they will always be looking over their shoulder.
I’m sorry people, it’s me blabbing again. I read the Tapas statements as Chicane suggested. I am utterly shocked to read that Joaquim Jose Moreira Batista (waiter) AND the Russian kitchen assistant Svetlana both state that Gerry left the tables for 30 minutes, returned and then ‘shortly after’/'a few moments later’ Kate went to do her check. I did not realise there were witnesses stating that Gerry was away until just before Kate raised the alarm. Dynamite!
Can KathyBelle or someone kindly explain why on earth the PJ would say they are satisfied that Gerry was at the table during the Smith sighting? He was apparently somewhere else until just before Kate’s alarm! The Smith sighting was approximately 9.50pm, Kate’s alarm was approximately 10pm, give or take. I thought he was not supposed to have left the table again after his 9-9.15pm check. (Chicane’s links consistently seem to destroy the points she is trying to make with them lol)
Hi Alex, from what I have seen of the PJ’s reports, they are anything but satisfied with anything the McCanns or their friends for that matter have told them.The McCanns and their friends, have hindered the investigation from day one, with their lies and changes of stories.
Alex, don’t get too excited: it won’t change anything. Have a read: http://www.zimbio.com/Gerry+McCann%27s+Blog/articles/Qs3CKlWTD9o/Pattie+Dear+Gerry+Table
Below is a You Tube video, that some might find interesting. The video is regarding the money the Express Group, placed into Madeleine’s fund, after the McCanns settled a defamination case out of court. In my opinion, if the McCanns were so innocent, they would have gone into court and won a substantial amount of money. As it is they chose to settle out of court.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PylfEhV
If the link won’t open, the title of the video is “Are UK Public kept in DARK? UK MEDIA not reporting IMPORTANT details about Madeleine McCann?”
I have written the title of the video, in exactly the same way as it is written above the video.
holy crap thats a lot of stuff to read!
I see the keyboard warriors are in full attendance! Did you make them all tea emma, they have been here forever and all that typing must make them parched !
Its not in the keeping with the posts as I have no links or police evidence to offer up just a sentence.
All the madeline supporters achieve nothing by saying it was the parents. It doesnt get madeline found.Maybe this post should be renamed who can put up the most links, like its a competition who knows the most.
I would like to say a huge thank you to Emma for providing this forum for pro -McCanns and McCann critics to air our views.
I understand that airing our views will not find Madeleine, but then neither will sarcastic comments from people like yourself. You obviously have no interest in the case, so If I were you, I would look around the forum for a topic where you might be able to make a useful contribution. There are some excellent topics on here.
“All the madeline (sic) supporters achieve nothing by saying it was the parents. It doesnt get madeline (sic) found.”
REPLY:
For Madeleine supporters read truth-seekers.
For those who care about the fate of the little girl, they at least manage to accord a bit of respect and spell her name correctly.
The best way of getting Madeleine found according to this flawed philosophy is to sit on your hands and wait apparently.
Just imagine, we all shut up and go away – and Madeleine turns up without fuss and bother. An unlikely scenario. Keep pressure applied on those who have not co-operated with the investigation and there is a chance that the truth may yet emerge.
Anyone who has any grasp of the depth and breadth of the implications in this case knows there is much at stake for the nature of our society.
Too much reading, eh! A small price to pay for a democracy. Others gave their lives for it.
oh please so I missed a E out . Shoot me now tut!
Nothing any of you Maddy supporters have put up makes anything any clearer. NOBODY knows what happened so you can all theorize till your blue in the faces about what happened but at the end of it you just look like smurfs with no proof.
As for me contrbuting to all other blogs, I have written loads on Emmas site here and I comment on others too so get your facts on that one.
I stand by what I said and if you dont like my opinion then off is the direction in which you should sod.
perhaps you might like a link to show you how
I’ll tell you what I would like and it is for you to explain why you and the other McCann supporters can’t take part in a debate, without insulting the McCanns critics. This kind of behaviour occurs on every forum and message board that I have ever been a member of. McCanns supporters hurling insults at the McCanns critics, because the critics don’t share the views of the McCanns supporters.
Your behaviour mirrors the behaviour of children in a playground, who fall out with their playmates, when their playmates won’t let them have their own way. Do you behave this way in your home? Do you throw a tantrum when members of your family have a different view to yours on a certain topic?
You need to grow up and realise that Madeleine is missing because of her parents bad behaviour towards her and her siblings. As for the crass statement you made when you said nobody knows what happened to Madeleine, her parents know where she is and if she is dead or alive.
If the McCanns didn’t know what happened to Madeleine, they would have looked for Madeleine, the minute she was discovered missing. They wouldn’t have lied and along with their mates, changed their stories and hindered the PJ and the GNR at every opportunity. Kate McCann would have also answered all of the 48 questions she refused to answer. The only one she did reply to, was when she was told that by not answering the questions, she was jeopardising the investigation. She flippantly said “If that’s what the investigators think.”
The McCanns have portrayed a very cavalier attitude throughout this case. The only time they have shown any reall emotion, is when the finger of suspicion has been pointed at them, by foreign media, who aren’t afraid to ask the questions, our spineless media won’t ask the McCanns.
So if you can’t be bothered to read what is in the files, which includes interviews from the McCanns, the PJ, members of the GNR and other people involved with this sad case, do what you and the other members of the McCanns fan club are always telling us to do.
I’ll tell you what I would like and it is for you to explain why you and the other McCann supporters can’t take part in a debate, without insulting the McCanns critics. This kind of behaviour occurs on every forum and message board that I have ever been a member of. McCanns supporters hurling insults at the McCanns critics, because the critics don’t share the views of the McCanns supporters.
Oh Eurekaaaaaaa it is a behaviour question??? Wait…
Your behaviour mirrors the behaviour of children in a playground, who fall out with their playmates, when their playmates won’t let them have their own way. Do you behave this way in your home? Do you throw a tantrum when members of your family have a different view to yours on a certain topic?
Aw mais par bleu…
I must behave …? Now seriously ….
φ As a child I saw Tarzan half naked,
φ Cinderella came home at midnight,
φ Pinocchio always lied ,
φ Batman runs over 320 km / h
φ Aladdin was a thief,
φ Snow White slept with 7 men,
φ Sleeping Beauty lies all day in her bed,
φ Little Red Riding Hood will not listen to her mother
So …… the fault lies not with me!
You need to grow up
You need to grow a brain
…and realise that Madeleine is missing because of her parents bad behaviour towards her and her siblings.
Wrong!! No because an abductor took Madeleine from her bed: That is the real criminal!!!
As for the crass statement you made when you said nobody knows what happened to Madeleine, her parents know where she is and if she is dead or alive.
Of course you can’t provide any proof of you claims, you just sprouting hatred…5 years on…
If the McCanns didn’t know what happened to Madeleine, they would have looked for Madeleine
the minute she was discovered missing
They did search from the very first minute up to today…
They wouldn’t have lied and along with their mates, changed their stories and hindered the PJ and the GNR at every opportunity. Kate McCann would have also answered all of the 48 questions she refused to answer. The only one she did reply to, was when she was told that by not answering the questions, she was jeopardising the investigation. She flippantly said “If that’s what the investigators think.”
YAWN…..boring that hater…
The McCanns have portrayed a very cavalier attitude throughout this case. The only time they have shown any reall emotion, is when the finger of suspicion has been pointed at them, by foreign media, who aren’t afraid to ask the questions, our spineless media won’t ask the McCanns.
blah blah blah bladieblub
So if you can’t be bothered to read what is in the files, which includes interviews from the McCanns, the PJ, members of the GNR and other people involved with this sad case, do what you and the other members of the McCanns fan club are always telling us to do.
No I can’t be bothered reading lies and falsehood by K. who is a well known Internet troll.
Cheers.
This is an insight into how easily a democracy can self-destruct: -
Don’t ask the awkward questions.
Pass by on the other side.
Deny the weak and vulnerable a voice.
LInk: Anything with the name Goebbels attached to it.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
ok I read one sentence of that crap then fell asleep.
And again you presume something. I am NOT a supporter of the parents, and I have stated that before but then to see that you would have needed to take your head out of your backside.
There is NO truthfull evidence she was killed by her parents. There is NO evidence that is 100% anything.
You supposed Madeleine supporters trash the parents necause its easier. How stupid are you die hards going to look when she is found one day having been snatched like jaycee was? You point the finger too fast and with such venom, shooting down anyo.e who di8sagrees with your little it was the parents cult . Truth is you aint got no facts , no shred of ideas what the hell your talking about and seriously your lucky the family doesnt do you all for slander. If they do find her and the parent5s are cleared man your gonna look stupid! I dont ordinarily support her parents, I think they both acted stupidly and should have faced neglect charges but that doesnt mean they killed her.
I have not said on here, or anywhere else, that the parents killed the child. And if you insinuate that one more time I will take action against you.
If I were Kate I would have been out as soon as possible trying to find my child!! All the reports I have read seem to point at the fact Kate seems to blame everyone else except herself yet on the night Madeleine went missing both her and Gerry made phone calls hours after she went missing. But I also want to know why did it take the police so long to block off borders and check airports? Why weren’t social services involved seen as though Kate and Gerry neglected the kids by leaving them alone? Also one thing that bugs me is some one went to check up on the kids at 9.30pm then again at 10pm when Madeleine was found to be missing, could the person who went in at 9.30 have possibly opened a window slightly because it was warm? And could that same person have forgotten to lock the door? I also want to know if they were only roughly 200 yards away from the apartment why didn’t any one see anything? Why weren’t the police phoned straight away? And why when the police finally turned up were they all standing around getting their timelines sorted? Does someone have something to hide? There are a few things in the McCann stories that don’t quite add up. I’m not 100% sure they had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance, I have a feeling Kate knows more than shes letting on to the public. I also hope that Madeleine is found safe and well and they do find out exactly what happened to her. I also hope who ever has taken her feels the full force of the law, as its the least they deserve
Hello Mummy
You can find out all you need to know about this case, by reading the files. Only then will you discover the answers to the points you have raised.
oh please was that meant to scare me? Did the eords Kingfisher you must stop accusing the parents…ever get put up here by me? erm no so therefore go take your legal threats to someone whos not as fiesty as me , cause i wont take crap from anyone.
second of all my opinion is just as valid as any others, reguardless of whether you think its right or wrong so therefore I will speak my mind. Dont like it, tough!
Thirdly im bored now, its clear if you are seen to support team mccann your gonna get trashed and I think its a shame that people are so full of hot air.
I actually took the time to read most of the posts tonight and thought there were good points raised by lots of people. It doesnt change my opinion I dont think the parents killed her but I know that will get me lynched so im off to do something productive like learn to type properly .
I’m glad to see you took the time to read the posts for a change instead of taking the scatter gun approach to debate. Everyone on here has their own individual take on the case. I repeat, on no occasion on any forum have I ever said the parents killed their child and it was very wrong of you to imply that I had.
I believe your problem is that, by your own admission, you don’t read the posts properly. You get to line one and think – ah, don’t agree with that. Then you get abusive. In fact, I have only come across one abusive poster on this thread, and that is you.
Your other problem is that you jump to conclusions. Wrong ones. You immediately equated action being taken against you as of the “legal” variety. Wrong again.
Unfortunately, you are one of those people who goes on the attack in an instant. Just answer point by point. Much more effective than variations on “sod off”.
There seems to be no evidence of you having examined the witness statements and rogatory interviews of the Tapas group. That would be a good starting point for anyone who wants a balanced perspective. Also the interviews the McCanns have given and the words they themselves have written are a rich source.
In fact I supported the McCanns for nearly four years so I do not come from an entrenched “anti” position. I have looked at both sides and see that too many things do not add up. And I am old enough and experienced enough in human behaviour to realise there is something seriously amiss in this case.
an abductor wouldnt have been able (IF THIS IS REALLY WHAT HAPPENED) had her parents done the RIGHT thing and NOT left the children alone. if i or even you did this in our own homes social services would point the finger of blame at us so why not in this case??? if they were alone Maddy wouldnt be missing its very very simple
I can’t remember you being here, saying this before 3 May 2007. So In hindsight it is easy to do the right thing. Kids asleep, 50 mtr away, view on the apartment, checking every half an hour, a tweaked or upgraded version of the popular baby listening system in many European hotels which is not illegal. I doubt any parent with brains and responsibility will ever use that system again. With Madeleine gone we now know the risks. McCanns and their friends and many gueasts on that resosrt dit NOT break any law,, but they will never ever leave their children alone.
Regarding it being easier to do the right thing with “hindsight” and what you said about kids asleep etc.,
Madeleine reported waking and crying the previous night, asking where her mother was, so it was acknowledged by the parents that “kids” don`t necessarily stay asleep between the half hour checks.
In Fiona Payne`s rogatory statement she describes a conversation in which Kate McCann discusses with her whether it is better to leave the door unlocked, so that “if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us.” or locked, with the 3 year old waking to find her parents missing.
Don`t these factors suggest that it was not only acceptable to them that a 3 year old could wake and leave the apartment, ( exposed to a road, car park and swimming pool at the very least,) to look for her absent parents, but that it was actually catered for by leaving the door unlocked?
Doesn`t this rather negate the hindsight argument?
It is also recorded in Rachael Mampilly`s statement that she felt uneasy doing checks, it was dark etc. although we often hear that it “felt safe” and also that the door was left open in case of fire. This indicates a concious decision to expose the children and an acceptance of danger which is “foresight” surely?
I find the defence put forward for this party of apparently “naive” middle-aged medical professionals feeling safe and not knowing the risks other than by hindsight a bit difficult to reconcile with what is actually said by them and their friends.
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Right come on here. Its a simple question. Woukd you leave your children unattended in a foreign country whileyou go out for tea and drinks???? I cant honrstly think of one person that would????????????
If i were to have gone out of my house and left my son in his cot and had a meal in a restaurant round the corner i would have got hung by ss. They would deem you as an at risk family amd a major inquiry would be in place.
wow. i have been reading all of that for ages. The fact of the matter is WE DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. if there was enough, proper evidence that they harmed maddy we would hope they would have been punished for it. As for people saying i wouldnt have been calling high profile friends, really?? only if i had done all i could re searching and felt my child had been abducted i would have been calling every high profile person i could get the number of to inform them that my child was missing and to raise as much attention, worldwide, as physically possible. I am not pro McCann because I was not there that night so whilst i cant say they did nothing i also cannot say they did something.
No i would never ever leave my kids alone whilst i went off drinking and eating (i cant even put the bins out without having them both stood at my door watching me as i run the 7 or 8 steps to outside my gate) but that is a completely crime to having killed and covered up the killing of a child.
i am sorry but i do NOT need hindsight to tell me they were bloody stupid and irresponsible in leaving the children alone i dont care how close they were or how often they checked on them, i have 3 children and would NEVER leave my children alone
and should it really take a child to go missing for many parents to realise you dont leave your kids?
Nothing of value was taken the night Madeleine disappeared. This was what the sister of Gerald McCann reported him as saying in a phone call home soon after – an unfortunate turn of phrase to say the least. All valuables and passports were in the safe evidently.
It begs the question: Would the McCanns have gone out leaving the apartment unlocked each night with £10,000 lying on the bed?
First of all Chicane, I was never exposed as being Dandelion 1906/Dandelion1946/ARTHURBLACKDOG or KathyBelle. If you had half a brain you would see that I have used the same avator, which is my deceased dog on all of my screennames.
Now I will explain why I used the Screen names that I do, not that I need to do so. 1906, which was after the first Dandelion screen name, which I use on another forum, was the year of my dad’s birth. 1946 is the year of my birth and is the screen name ARTHURBLACKDOG, is the screen name my daughter and her partner gave me, when they gave me a computer in 2000 and put me on the internet using AOL as my internet provider.
I used that screen name on all of the AOL forums that I was a member of, the AOL forums have now been discontinued. Arthur was the name of my dog and Dandelion is one of my favourite wild flowers. Kathy is my first name and I added Belle to my name because one of my now sadly deceased friends, who was Italian, called me Bellisimo and the Belle of the ball if we went out.
As for the rest of Chicanes disgusting post, this apology for a human being along with tinman, has trawled the internet looking for every bit of information about me. They have ignored the thousands and thousands of posts on many forums, Twitter and Facebook, who all have the same view as myself and that is the McCanns are 100% responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance and whatever suffering she endured on her way to wherever she was taken to.
Chicane knows full well that I wasn’t the only person who accused tinman of being Kate/Gerry McCann, in fact I’ll go a bit further and I will say Chicane is rather closer to the McCanns than being a supporter.
Chicane has put these links on here, for no other reason than to disrupt this thread. Chicane has now conceded that we the McCanns critics, will never ever stop trying to find out the truth about Madeleine, the only way Chicane thinks we can stop posting our critical views about the McCanns, is by using me as a way of distracting attention from the McCanns to me and my screen names.
If Chicane had tried to post these links on another moderated forum, where I am a member of, the links would never have made the forum and Chicane’s account would have been terminated.
By the way Chicane, tinman and yourself aren’t the first McCann supporters to trawl the internet looking for information about me, others have done the same. In fact one supporter who saw one of my posts, where I said I was going to Moffat for my holidays, said she would come and look for me in Moffat. She said Moffat was only a small place and she would soon find out what hotel I was staying at. Lol I can just see the hoteliers faces as they were asked if there was an ARTHURBLACKDOG staying in one of their hotels.
So Chicane, if you are trying to get one over me, you will have to try much harder. I’m quite flattered that you have trawled the internet looking for me to look for my posts which you have posted in your link. If you had half a brain, you would see that if I was the sly person you are trying to make me out to be, I would not be volunteering the information I have put in my posts and I would not be posting under the screen names that I use on other forums.
By the way Chicane, I don’t do things behind peoples backs so I am letting you know that I have contacted Emma about your behaviour.
For you to trawl the internet looking for information about me, in your quest to dig up dirt, is sick. It is a form of harassment, but because I am strong person, this will not affect me mentally. However you need to think before you do it to someone else, they might not be as strong as me. We have all heard of people who have harmed themselves, because they have been hounded by someone on a social networking site, forum or messageboard, who has taken a dislike to them.
If you had read properly, you would know this wasn’t my research. I had nothing to do with this.
It was done by Jay Elles and members of Stop the Myths forum http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/
Thank you Emma, for following up my complaint, I am really grateful.
Your very welcome while I welcome all to my blog and respect each has his/her own opinion bullying and harassment towards other commenter’s will =NOT be tolerated.
I have been following the news item, where a 20yr old mother was jailed for 15 months for leaving her baby unattended, in squalid conditions, while she went out every evening for a week to parties, during the period between Christmas 2011 and New Year 2012.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190972/Bingeing-mother-left-baby-week-Jail-20-year-old-child-starving-cot.html
I immediately thought of the McCanns, when they left their children unattended, in their unlocked, unlit apartment.
Just as the baby was heard screaming by the neighbours, who reported the mother to the police, the McCanns children were heard screaming, by the residents of the other apartments, in the same block as the McCanns holiday apartment. The McCanns were brought back from Chaplins on one occasion, by Warner staff, who had been asked to go there following a complaint and the McCanns were also made aware of other complaints that Warner staff received on other occasions.
Anyone who has followed this case, knows that each time the McCanns left their children unattended, while they went out for the evening, they broke the Portuguese law. Just because they said they checked their children every 30 minutes, it didn’t make their offence less serious. For reasons best known to the McCanns, the Portuguese Authorities and the British Government, the McCanns were never charged for those offences.
Those of us who have followed this case, know that following the McCanns receiving the arguido status, they boarded the first available flight out of the Algarve, to the East Midland’s airport. The day after the McCanns arrived home from the Algarve, they were paid a visit by members of Social Services and a police officer.
Following this visit, Gerry read out a statement to the media. He said that these people visited his home at the request of he and his wife. He said they had been told that their behaviour regarding leaving their children unattended, with ½ checks was well within the bounds of responsible parenting. I doubt this very much, because the law has never changed in the past 5yrs.
If Social Services, were going to tell the McCanns that they had basically done nothing wrong, they would not have brought a police officer along with them.
I am going to look for information in the files, regarding the visit by Social Services and the police officer.
Mrs Fenn reported hearing ONE child crying on the 1st May. . She did not name Madeleine as the child. No-one has every reported hearing the McCann children screaming. If this was true it would be in the PJ files.
The ‘Chaplin’ story is a long since discredited forum myth. If any member of Warners’s staff had had to ”bring the McCanns back’ – it would be in the witness statements of those staff members and would also have featured in Amaral’s book. In fact there would probably have been a whole chapter on it. There is no mention whatsoever of any such ‘happening’ in the files and no complaints about the McCanns were ever received by Warner staff.
Whether we like it or not the McCanns broke no laws when they mirrored the perfectly legal ‘Baby Listening Service’ which Mark Warner offered at their other holiday complexes and which some of the group had used before – with no problems. The fact that it was not offered at Prai de luge by MW is irrelevant, either it is legal or it isn’t.
There had to be shown an ‘intent to abandon’ for the law to have been broken. The regular checks by the parents ruled this out, particular as their intentions to make regular checks was shown in the reception book – where a note had been made that the group wanted to book meals at the Tapas bar for the whole week because of it’s close proximity to the apartments – as they would be making checks on their children during the meals.
Thousands of other parents did exactly the same in holiday resorts all over the place. The only difference between those parents and the McCanns is that they were not targetted by abductors. I’m sure many of those parents returned home breathing a sigh of relief and saying ‘There for the grace of god………’ and would never do that again. However, amazingly IMO – The Listening Service is still on offer at many holiday resorts – thus proving there is still a demand for it. I find that really shocking.
It was the McCanns themselves who asked for a visit from Social Services on their return to England. Nothing untorward was found.
They also had visit from the police – primarily to help and advise them on security – and subsequntly as a result of their advice – sensor alarms were fitted.
Surely a requirement of the “perfectly legal baby listening service” offered at holiday complexes is that the apartment is locked?
A listening service for unlocked accommodation having access to a road , a car park and a swimming pool, with “listening staff” responsible for 3 year olds like Madeleine, free to get out of bed and wander out or enabling intruders to enter at will between checks is unlikely to be offered commercially anywhere,surely?
How could staff be expected to be responsible for supervising unlocked apartments at intervals between which children could wake and be long gone?
( All quiet in number 4 ! )
Attempts to liken tor latch the McCann arrangements onto baby listening services or the Butlin`s Chalet service or link the McCanns with thousands of other parents who do exactly the same except that they weren`t lucky not to be targetted by abductors really doesn`t work because the McCann apartment was not locked, rendering the children vulnerable in so many ways.
In order to accommodate this factor, the defensive “spin” seems to be that the McCann arrangement was somehow superior or an upgrade of some sort, because the “checkers” could actually go in through the unlocked door and see the child, (always supposing he/she was still there .)
Again, what was the point of entering the unlocked apartment as part of the upgraded checking arrangements,but not actually look at Madeleine, such that one checker was not able to confirm that she was even there, just that all was quiet, This happened with one of Madeleine`s checks that fateful night, didn`t it?
To return to the original question ‘Why did Kate not search for Madeleine’
It is clear from the PJ files that the McCanns did go out at first light on the morning of the 4th May to search for their child. Mrs. Webster confirms this in her statement as she was there when they set off and so does a GNR police officer who saw them whilst they were out.
Also it doesn’t take rocket science to believe that the hotel staff and others who had been searching from around 10.15p.m. would have gone home to get some sleep at some stage well before dawn – hence the McCanns saw no-one during their own search. The PJ had long gone and told them they would not be back until after 9.00a.m. (THAT – would not have happened in this country!) and I can easily imagine how ‘abandoned’ they felt at that particular time.
The question Kate McCann she was asked in ‘that’ video related to the searching carried out by the Locals during the following week which was AFTER that time. . Kate’s response was in context with the question she was asked and also only related to that period of time. At no time was she asked if she had ever searched herself. If she had have been asked she would no doubt have told them about the search she and Gerry made early on the 4th May. But she wasn’t asked.
The rest of that day (the 4th) was spent at the police station. Does anyone think they should have refused to go there to be interviewed on the grounds that they wanted to search for their daughter? I don’t think so.
When they returned that night the place was swarming with Reporters – all waiting to get a picture of the McCanns and an interview. The fact that the Press very quickly discovered that due to the Portuguese Secrecy Laws there would be NO information forthcoming from the Police for them to send back to their editors would mean that their attention was 100% on the McCanns.
Anyone who thinks that after the arrival of the Press in their hordes that the McCanns would have been able to search the streets of Prai de Luz without being trampled in the rush of photographers, TV crews and Press reporters – all shoving microphones in their faces and firing questions at them – then they being very unrealistic. I have no doubt at all that the advice given to them by the police and others was to stop at home.
The mother of the 3yr old Scottish boy who was abducted from his grandparents’ back garden many years ago never to be seen again (featured on the Lorraine Kelly Missing Children prog) – has openly admitted that SHE never searched for her child – because she was too frightened of what she might find. No-one has ever criticised her.
There are no rules on how to behave when suffering from shock, trauma, grief, and extreme anxiety due to the sudden loss of a loved one whether it be by death or for other reasons. Everyone is different.
IMHO
Stop trying to rewrite history and listen to what Kate McCann said in her interview. When she was asked if she wanted to join the locals, who stayed off work for more than 1 week, to search for Madeleine, she said “We wanted to, but as you can imagine for the first 48hrs we were completely non-functioning”
The time the McCanns should have gone out looking for Madeleine, if they were ever going to look at all, was the minute Kate raised the alarm at the Tapas Bar. This didn’t happen, along with their Tapas Mates, the McCanns went back to their apartment and began sorting out their timelines on the blank pages of Madeleine’s sticker book.
The GNR weren’t notified until 22:40 and by the time they arrived, the McCanns and their mates had trampled all over the crime scene and had made phone calls to their family and friends. One of the friends they contacted was Jon Corner, who held a high profile position within the media and was responsible for getting the story out into the UK media.
When the GNR arrived as soon as the McCanns saw them, they began to show grief. Gerry got on his knees and started to wail, Kate got on the bed and began to scream and bang her head against the headboard, she later said she was so angry she broke the bed.
This behaviour, began to arouse suspicion within the GNR, that the story of Madeleine’s disappearance, was not as the McCanns said it was. The suspicions of the GNR, were further fueled, when the McCanns began to lie. They were immediately found out as liars, when they told the story of the jemmied shutter,which turned out not to be jemmied.
Anyway to get back to the McCanns so called search for Madeleine and your attempt to rewrite history. Kate McCann, forgot that she told Jane Hill, that the reason she and her husband never searched for Madeleine, was because they were completely non-functioning for the first 48hrs. In her book “Madeleine” she says that she and her husband went out looking for Madeleine and they saw no one and that means no one. No GNR, who searched all night and every subsequent night and day till the search was called off.
They never saw the locals, who searched all night. In fact when the McCanns were taken in for questioning as witnesses, they told the PJ they had never searched at all for Madeleine. Goncalo Amaral found this very strange. The PJ would have gone home, because unlike the GNR, officers from the PJ wouldn’t be doing the actual searching for Madeleine.
By the way the McCanns who were “completely nonfunctioning” for the first 48hrs, put Sean and Amelie in the creche, less than 48 hrs after Madeleine disappeared and restarted their leisure activities. They were photographed jogging past members of the public, who were looking for Madeleine and they were photographed in their jogging gear, standing on top of a cliff, watching the GNR comb the beach down below, in their quest to find Madeleine.
A lot of the media photographs were staged managed by Jon Corner with the McCanns permission. The twins were brought out of the creche, so they could have their photographs taken with their parents. The McCanns ignored the advice to have the twins faces blurred out. Just as they ignored the advice to keep Madeleine’s coloboma out of the media’s eye. Gerry said in marketing terms, mentioning Madeleine’s coloboma was a good ploy.
Gerry McCann now denies ever saying Madeleine had a coloboma, he said she had a fleck that moved around her eye.
Gerry and Kate McCann have spoke a lot about Madeleine in past tense. In my opinion this, the fact they never searched for Madeleine and the fact they told many many lies, to save their own skins, is a sure sign they know where Madeleine is and if she is dead or alive. The lies the McCanns told were recently placed on a forum and they amounted to 181.
This is what the Portuguese Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida had to say, in his report which he sent to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.html
It was no surprise to me, when C.I. Almeida, said in his report, that the whole group lied from the beginning.
Why would anyone lie, regarding Madeleine’s disappearance. How did the McCanns know, that Madeleine had been abducted from their unlocked, unlit apartment? Oh I forgot, the McCanns were asked by a Portuguese media reporter how they knew Madeleine had been abducted. Kate said “I know more than you do, I was there.” If Kate was there, I wonder why she didn’t stop the abductor from taking Madeleine.
I’m afraid Kate and Gerry McCann have told so many lies, that if they told me it was raining, I would have to go outside and check.
I believe Madeleine’s demise, is as Chief Inspector Tavares de Ameida says it is in his report. He came to the same conclusion as Dr Goncalo Amaral and if he was lying, the McCanns would be suing him. They are suing Goncalo Amaral for writing in his book, what C.I. Almeida is saying in his very public report.
How strange that the McCanns haven’t issued a lawsuit against Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida.
You post is far to long to answer in one go. So here is the first part.
KBelle said
Stop trying to rewrite history and listen to what Kate McCann said in her interview. When she was asked if she wanted to join the locals, who stayed off work for more than 1 week, to search for Madeleine, she said “We wanted to, but as you can imagine for the first 48hrs we were completely non-functioning”
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IMO You are nitpicking and playing with words. The fact is if they didn’t go out at dawn on the 4th then you are saying Diane Webster and the GNR officer were both lying in their statements. Why would they do that? Just because KM doesn’t mention it in that particular interview doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. There is no mention of the Mark Warner staff activating their ‘missing child’ search procedure in that interview. either – does that mean THAT didn’t happen too? Of course not. It wasn’t mentioned because the interviewer was referring specifically to the Locals and their kindness in giving up their time duirng the following week AFTER the 4th May to help search. Kate McCann has never claimed to have joined in those searches – and even if she had wanted to the massive media presence would have made it impossible.
You should make your mind up. One minute you are saying they never searched and the next you are claiming they insulted the locals when they said they didn’t see anyone else during their search on 4th May. . You can’t have it both ways.
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The time the McCanns should have gone out looking for Madeleine, if they were ever going to look at all, was the minute Kate raised the alarm at the Tapas Bar. This didn’t happen, along with their Tapas Mates, the McCanns went back to their apartment and began sorting out their timelines on the blank pages of Madeleine’s sticker book.
The GNR weren’t notified until 22:40 and by the time they arrived, the McCanns and their mates had trampled all over the crime scene and had made phone calls to their family and friends. One of the friends they contacted was Jon Corner, who held a high profile position within the media and was responsible for getting the story out into the UK media.
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Not according to the PJ files – which I am beginning to think you have never read. There are several independent witnesses who saw both Gerry and his friends frantically searching immediately after the alarm was raised and say so in their sworn statements to the police.
Gerry was obliged to spend some of that time waiting for the police to arrive, after the MW Head of Accommodation called them between 10.00 and 10.15. . In fact the police were called several times by the reception staff before they finally appeared at around 11.00p.m. The call that was recorded at 22.40 was NOT the first call. Go read the hotel reception staffs statements in the PJ files and also the statements of the GNR officers who were first on the scene, and who confirm that the call at 22.40 asked them to get a move on as the father had called AGAIN..
It was the responsiblity of the police to cordon off the scene. They failed in that basic fundamental duty and continued to allow all kinds of people – hotel staff, other policemen including dogs to enter the apartment. – thus contaminating or destroying what may have been vital evidence.
Of course the group would want to be sure of the timelines of that evening, it would have been totally unnatural for them not to try to piece together how this terrible thing had happened. They made a list of the times of their movements to the best of their recollections and immediately handed it to the PJ – in order to help them.and before they forgot them. The police took it and confirmed that THAT was the information they needed. Why you seem to think there is anything sinister in that is a mystery to me.
Of course they would ring their family and friends. They were in a foreign country, didn’t speak the language and the worst nightmare to happen to any parent had just happened to them. Who wouldn’t be turning to their loved ones at such a time.. Even if they had been in this country they would have done the same, wouldn’t anyone? I know I would. What the McCanns did not do however is ring the press or Sky news or Gordon Brown or anyone else outside their F&F at that time If you had read the rogatory statements you would know that. – but you obviously haven’t..
I will try to answer the rest of your post later – if I get time.
Regarding the interview with the McCanns and Jane Hill, in which Jane asks Kate if she wanted to join the locals in their search for Madeleine, what part of ” We wanted to, but for 48hrs we were completely non-funcitioning” do you not understand?
The GNR officer, who said in his statement, which is in the PJ files, that he saw the McCanns at 07:00hrs in the street next to their apartment.
The McCanns had been asked in another interview, why they never searched for Madeleine and Kate said it was because it was too dark.
Even if the McCanns did go and look for Madeleine, whether it was 04:00hrs or 07:00hrs to look it was too late. The time they should have gone out looking for Madeleine, was the time Kate supposedly found her missing.
Anyway it is all lies, you and the other McCann fans keep trying to rewrite history, but you fail miserably each time. You can make as many excuses as you like for the McCanns but at the end of the day, they are responsible for whatever happened to Madeleine and whatever suffering she endured, in their apartment, before she was taken away.
By the way, I never said the McCanns rang the press, I said that the McCanns rang their high profile media friend Jon Corner to tell him Madeleine disappeared. He said he got the story out into the UK newspapers. Gerry McCann said on the morning after Madeleine disappeared that he phoned Gordon Brown, the previous evening, to ask him for help. He said Gordon Brown, gave him his own personal telephone number and told him he could phone him anytime day or night.
Gordon Brown was the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time and through Tony Blair, he arranged for 2 Special Envoys, who were in Portugal, to go immediately to the McCanns and they were instructed to stay by the McCanns side at all times.
By the way, when the McCanns phoned their family and friends, when they should have been out looking for Madeleine and would have been out looking for Madeleine, if they were not involved in her disappearance, Kate McCann’s mother said, her daughter asked her for the telephone number of the Merseyside Priest, who married her to Gerry.
Her mother said, she couldn’t understand why her daughter wanted to speak to the Priest, because neither she or her son-in-law, were regular church goers. Kate phoned the Priest at around 02:00hrs and asked him to fly over to PDL as soon as possible. Why? How did Kate know Madeleine was not going to be found anytime soon?
It is plainly obvious that the McCanns made all those phonecalls, when they would have been out looking for Madeleine, if she had been abducted, or walked out of the apartment, because they knew she wasn’t going to be found anytime soon.
In a previous post, you made excuses for a mother whose child went missing and who said she didn’t search for her child, because she was scared of being criticises. I cannot understand anyone not looking for their missing child and I cannot understand anyone making excuses for those whose child goes missing because of their cruel behaviour.
I know you don’t like me saying this, but if Madeleine was abducted, she was abducted because her parents put their time with their friends, before the safety of their 3 tiny toddlers.
Anyway until I know different, I will always believe Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida and Dr Goncalo Amaral, who have both reached the conclusion that Madeleine died in the McCanns apartment and the McCanns tried to cover up the cadaver scent.
There is no evidence Madeleine was abducted, there is plenty evidence to show Madeleine came to harm in the McCanns apartment.
I am not getting into anymore discussions with you on this subject, because we both have different views. You believe the McCanns have done nothing wrong, I believe the McCanns have done plenty that is wrong and unfortunately Madeleine has suffered because of the McCanns wrongdoings.
The twins suffering will come later, when they learn the truth about what happened on that so called family holiday.
KBelle – I have to go out shortly so can’t give a proper response at the moment , except to say that your posts are littered with misinformation – and your own ‘manipulated’ versions of what happened and what people ‘said’ IMO.
You post only ‘parts’ of conversations and comments to create the impression YOU want to create.. That is unfair IMO. . Anyone reading many of the same conversations in their entirety would have a completely different impression to the one you want to give.
You also misquote other posters as well as the McCanns and others connected with the case.
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This is one example in your post to me.
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In a previous post, you made excuses for a mother whose child went missing and who said she didn’t search for her child, because she was scared of being criticises.
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That is completely false. I did not say anything remotely like that. I said the mother concerned did not go out and search for her child because she was frightened of what she might find. I then said no-one has criticised HER for not searching.
You obviously didn’t like that – and so twisted it into a version that suited your own agenda.
You do exactly the same with the McCanns and the group – and regularly distort what they have actually said into what you WISH they had said. Many of your claims are forum myths (like the Chaplin claim for instance).. You must be aware of that by now – as you have never come up with any witness statements from the Mark Warner staff to prove it . That’s because they don’t exist, and they don’t exist because it didn’t happen – but that doesn’t stop you repeating it does it.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this case, but OPINIONS are not necessarily FACTS – and to quote them as if they are PROVEN FACTS as you do – is wrong IMO.
Anyway – I have to go out now. Have a pleasant day.
I watched that drama about the lottery winners recently on tv. in one episode the winning group had a weekend celebration dinner at a swanky hotel. Late in the evening, the twelve year old daughter of one of the winners was missing from the hotel bedroom where she’d been asleep. The mother ran through the hotel screaming out to everyone “Have you seen my daughter?”, grabbing people by the arm and shouting ‘My daughter’s missing. Have you seen a twelve year old girl?” She then ran outside the hotel, screaming her name all the way,
Only a drama you might say. But the writers and directors had a pretty shrewd idea of what constituted a normal reaction in a mother with a missing child
But the writers and directors had a pretty shrewd idea of what constituted a normal reaction in a mother with a missing child – EXACTLY ! Thats my point and I admit all this has lost me and my blost was a very simple question that MANY mother would ask.
1 – I would NEVER leave my kids alone in the house for 2 minutes while I popped next door to borrow sugar
2 – She never searched – why?
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I will never forget how Ben Needham’s family looked for Ben the minute he disappeared and are still looking for him in Greece, over twenty years later, as often as their finances will allow them to do so. Ben’s mum and dad split up, but Ben’s dad still looked for Ben and when money was in short supply, he used to sleep on the beach, in order to buy food for himself.
Ben’s parents, pleaded with the British Government to help them, many times and each time they were told no. When Madeleine disappeared and Ben’s mum Kerry, saw the help her parents were getting, she asked again and once again she was told no. However a petition to help Kerry, headed by Tom Cruise and other celebrities was sent to David Cameron and Kerry is now getting the help she should have got twenty years ago.
Then there is the parents of Sarah Payne who along with their children, looked for Sarah but it was all in vain. The families of the Soham girls, looked for them, the minute they didn’t return home at the time they should have done. The men folk of the family stayed out all night, in the fog and the rain, shining torches and calling out the girls names. They carried on searching until they could search no more.
The McCanns and their wider family, have not lifted one finger to find Madeleine. Within days of Madeleine vanishing, her family set up a fund, using money that had been donated from the public. The family said the money would be used to find Madeleine, even though the Portuguese taxpayers were funding the searches and the investigation into her disappearance.
It turned out that the McCanns used £2k of the fund to pay their mortgage, the expenses of their campaign manager Justine McGuinness, their dodgy private detectives, the McCanns legal fees.
The McCanns who had a combined income of over £200k per year, were broke according to Gerry’s sister Patricia. A clause was added to the fund, which enabled the McCanns to use the money to assist their finances.
On May the 17th 2007, Eileen McCann, Gerry’s mother, was interviewed in Rothley and she told the media how Gerry was uplifted now the fund was up and running. She never mentioned Madeleine at all.
Kate’s uncle Brian Kennedy and he explained how people could go into any branch of ‘Nat.West’ or the Royal Bank of Scotland and donate money to the fund. He said the fund would be used for all sorts of reasons but probably for legal expenses.
Anyone who wants to hear the interviews can do so on the You Tube video called “Eileen McCann and Brian Kennedy in Rothley (May 17 2007)
Around the same time as Mrs McCann and Mr Kennedy gave their media interviews, Gerry wrote in one of his daily blogs, about a fund raising event that was being set up. He said the event wouldn’t take place on the 1st anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, it would be sooner than that.
Apart from the lies the McCanns told, to save their own skins, their admittance that they never searched for Madeleine, here was another clue that the McCanns knew Madeleine was never going to be found. The McCanns know why Madeleine won’t be found and so do the PJ.
There are so many ‘facts’ thrown about here that are simply untrue. Where are your links to evidence people? You need to try and look at all the facts objectively looking at all the info that is out there and then trying to see if it can be rebutted. Most people only look for confirmation of what they already believe and any evidence which does not agree gets ignored. As someone who has thoroughly researched this case It’s so frustrating to see some of these comments.
As for Kate not searching. She did. Of course you might not believe what she says but they were witnessed. See here http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULO-NETO.htm
In fact this whole site rebuts a lot of the ‘facts’ flying about providing sources which are often primary to back them up http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main%20Page
Your link apparently confirming that Kate McCann “searched” does not really do that, though, does it?
The statement observes that he saw many people , mainly British, helping with the searching. The parents are not mentioned as part of this group, but further on in the statement. He said they were standing alone in the street at about 7.00.
Sorry to nit-pick, but the point of your post seemed to be expressing frustration because “most people only look for confirmation of what they already believe” and I feel that you have just done that yourself whilst lecturing others on “looking at the facts objectively”
(Pots calling kettles black etc.?)
Kate said that they were searching yes in their book, in interviews but also in her diary which was not written in hindsight. Seeing as they were seen out of the apartment at a time when she’d wrote in her diary that she was searching it’s quite plausible to think that she was actually doing something other than just sitting around.
How am I not being objective? I never stated my personal opinion and nor will I. Her not searching is based on a misquoted media reference. That is fact. I am looking at police files and of course what people have said but I also look to rebut all information. Lots of people have simple things wrong that they would see are completley untrue if they just read the pj files, but they don’t they’d rather just believe everything the media says.
Apart from the misquoted media references can you please provide a link that states she did not search?
Also notice at the bottom of the link the recommendations for why parents shouldn’t search.
I read the piece about Kate “physically searching” via your link to the “myths exposed” site which apparently rebuts what you feel are purported as “facts” , but the only information regarding Kate “searching” was chunks from her own book, which was written in retrospect.
It does not really tie up with what she says earlier on in the investigation, during that filmed interview in which she says ” it might not be physically searching” etc.
I wonder why she did not talk about the frantic “searching” with no one else around, as described in her book, during the time of the interview, when it must have been fresher in her mind?
She said nothing about it in the interview at all, even though she seemed defensive about the question. She could have set the record straight quite easily there and then with that information, couldn`t she ?
If you’d read the link properly you would have seen that it was from her book, interview and her diary which was not written in retrospect.
Again, if you’d have read the link I gave you properly you would have realised it’s talking about the exact interview you mentioned in your reply and how it has been misquoted.
Here’s a link to the interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6690000/newsid_6692900/6692935.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm
Can you please provide a witness statement, anything from a police report that says that she did not search? I’ve looked and haven’t been able to find anything.
Also read the bottom of the link where it explains why police would not want parents to search.
Also they weren’t ’120 metres’ away they were 50 metres (as the crow flies) away. I wont bother linking that a simple google search is all you need.
Transcript of Interview with BBC on 25th May,2007
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Jane Hill: And I’ve spoken to a lot of people over the weeks, local people who’ve given up a lot of time..you’ve talked about the support they’ve given you. I met people who didn’t go to work for more than a week because every day they were down on the beach, searching the streets. Did you as a mother Kate just sometimes think “I’ve got to go and be out there with them. I’ve got to go and just physically look as well?”
Kate McCann: I mean I did. I mean, we’d been working really hard really apart from the first 48 hours as Gerry says were incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning I’d say. But after that you get strength from somewhere. We’ve certainly had loads of support and that’s given us strength and it’s been able to make us focus really so we have actually in our own way, it might not be physically searching but we’ve been working really hard and doing absolutely everything we can really to get Madeleine back.
I read that initial response by Kate in which she says ” I mean, I did.” and understood it to be her answer to the interviewer`s question ” Did you as a mother just sometimes think `I`ve got to go and be out there with them. I`ve got to go and just physically look as well?`
i.e. that Kate DID sometimes THINK that, which is not quite the same thing as actually doing it, though, is it?
Having gone on to say “it might not be physically searching” I think it is not unreasonable for people to believe what Kate actually said, though, don`t you?
Why would she skirt around the point, with all that prevarication about working hard, being none functioning for the first 48 hours etc., and actually say that ” it might not be physically searching” if it wasn`t true?
I don`t personally think that not “physically searching” is anything to criticise a mother for if she feels the sort of dread at what she might find , as someone said about Ben Needham`s Mum.
Who knows how each of us might react unless we`ve been in that situation?
What does seem a bit odd is maintaining that when Kate McCann said ” it might not be physically searching” she actually meant the opposite.
I have posted a lot more, but you Emma decided not to put t it up. So I quit posting or visiting again. You have a not working email address, so perhaps you are the horrible Kathybelle herself.Please scrap me from your email list, because from now on all your post will end up as spam.
Chicane
I am EMMA and a mother to 6 kids and they are all here at home as its the school holiday so please bare that in mind. Have you taken the time to actually bother reading any other parts of my blog or this hate campaign against the bloody McCanns the only tropic of interest to you?
I assure you my email address works perfectly well as I have about 80 to read through tonight once I get time to actually sit down.
I may have many personalities, hey I am Bipolar after but posing as someone who knows more about Kate and her poor child is a little absurd.
emma@therealsupermumblog.com give it a try if you wish to apologise for your little outburst!
Also I have NO posts to moderate so either they have gone into the spam folder which I will politely check for you when I have time or your comment has not worked correctly.
It’s werid as it’s instinct to search as my little one done it to me and her dad we where in the ice cream que near a arkades and she went on a ride out side the arkade it was the most horffing thing I’ve ever been though my heat was in my mouth it was awful so how could she not be like that it’s a bit weird xx
i strongly believe that madeline’s parents are responable for her going missing. If anything happened to my son i would be out searching. Saying that, i never would have left him alone in the first place!
I have posted a lot about this before on a different post I think it was, and I got into a set with the trolls. Coincidentally they are now converging in a different blog to hate Emma because she dared to be different to the others opinions. Everyone is either a mccann activist or hater. Some think they deserve it, some dont but either way it doesnt change the fact that that little girl is still missing and hasent been found. The sad truth is that she may never be found dead or alive and nobody may ever find out. Another sad fact is that this happens and there are others who go missing and never get found.
The parents made some massive mistakes and I hope they have learned from them and treat their twins better.
I may sound cruel but to be honest if they had of done that in this country they would have been crucified.
They didnt face any consequences legally for their actions and they should have.
I hope one day the little girl turns up alive and well and able to say she was ok and not harmed but if she doesnt they have nobody to blame but themselves.
Kate and Gerry McCann belong in prison. The two made a conscious decision to leave a three-year old and a two two-year olds alone, making matters worse it was in a foreign country.
I have no sympathy for them, the two broke the law.