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The two blog posts that I wrote about Madeleine MCann actually scared me, I blogged about my own thoughts on a mother who left her children alone sleeping in a foreign country, while we would mostly say she was wrong to do this, this mum has paid the ultimate price for that mistake.
I questioned whether it was time to stop searching, prompted by an article I read in a magazine I had bought and it challenged my views.
Why Did Kate Not Search For Madeleine McCann?
Madeleine McCann; Should They Stop Searching?
What I did not expect and was not prepared for was the blog post to turn into a witch hunt. I watched as the comments grew and yes thought great, this will make the blog look a bit more popular and I never had time to even read the hundred or so comments left.
What I did see was many links, I have no idea where these links went to and I do not have time to sit and read them or look into the legal side of the McCann’s story.
At the end of the day she left her kids alone and at the end of the night she lost her child. While questions will always hang over Kate McCann I will not tolerate trolls and haters on my blog. I had no choice but to close comments on the blog post after a commenter complained another was harassing them.
Harassing them over a blog post? I never saw any harassment and I apologise if I have missed it. I was happy to allow commenters to express their honest opinions but after reading about such hate campaigners it become a little scary.
The tweets then began, warning me that haters of the MCcanns were on my blog, advising that I should ban or remove certain comments or users. I was out of my depth.
I had no idea that McCann hater campaigns were taking place, but I want no part in it. I will not remove the blog posts as I stand by what I wrote, yet have learned that there are some very evil people out there. While I may have my own personal views about this very sad and tragic story, why would anyone go as far as to start a hate campaign against the Mccans? Spend 5 years of your life writing about, tweeting about and dedicating hours to spread rumours and hate speeches about a couple they have never met?
OK what Kate did was wrong, leaving her kids alone, but I know of hundreds of other mothers who have physically beaten and killed their children. Is she that much of a monster in truth?
Madeleine’s parents subjected to ‘spiteful’ internet hate campaign – The Mail Online
“Hate Campaign” against the McCanns – Media
The list goes on and on … I have no idea what to believe anymore!
Writing the simple blog posts has opened up a whole new world to me…
The blog is open for “my regular commenters, NOT for anti-hate or campaigners to start posting links”.
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Bless us! No matter what anyone’s views are, there really is no need for a hate campaign. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion but hate campaigns are just wrong.
I started reading it all, went down 20 comments then i got bored it was all pretty much the same stuff, same links and it got boring xx
Some people just want somebody to hate, even if for no reason. Mummy_LaLa is right, they all basically say the sane thing.
I bet some just used big words to make it seem they know about it, when in fact, they know nothing
She was wrong to leave her alone and I will never understand why she did it! There’s always going to be haters out there it’s your blog u can write what u like and shouldn’t be targeted by these people for having an opinion x
I took part in the blog and I can honestly say there was some very very shall we say determined bloggers. When I pointed out nobody knows what happened I was verbally attacked and labelled a mccann lover or supporter. That led to others jumping on the ledge and giving me abuse too. i was told i didnt know what i was talking about and i was as good as the murdering parents. … you cant reason with such stupidity so I walked away from it.
Its an emotive story and no one knows the truth and I dont think anyone ever will x
It was a very good blog but it became a platform for the die hard supporters of Madeleine who campaign for the world to bring the parents to justice. To these people the parents are guilty reguardless and they will not listen to any other point of view.
The sad fact is they could find Madeleine and shes alive and they would still insist the dad took her or something. Their depth of feeling is so strong that I was attacked just for spelling her name madeline instead of madeleine . That made me a traitor. Its terrible the way they are so nasty.
Hi Emma, I think you got it wrong, the real haters are the ones defending the couple, they even blogged about you http://exposingthemyths.blogspot.pt/2012/08/when-hate-becomes-real-threat.html and here http://exposingthemyths.blogspot.pt/2012/08/the-real-super-person.html In fact, that is what the McCann supporters do, they viciously attack everyone and anyone on the internet who holds a different opinion about the case.
WOW I am famous lol – Well it does seem that ANYONE who questions the MCcanns involvement is publicly hung – well that just shows what idiots these people are, its great to see people like this have so much spare times on their hands. I had thought they were defending the couple and doing good when quite clearly they are posing as idiots really – someone says something about Kate and they go off and make a blog about it …. very interesting to say the least x
“OK what Kate did was wrong, leaving her kids alone,but I know of hundreds of other mothers who have physically beaten and killed their children. Is she that much of a monster in truth?”
I’m sorry but when you write a statement like that, you make it sound as if she just gave them french fries instead of vegetables for tea. The first thing everyone needs to remember is that it wasn’t just Kate, but her husband and their holidaying companions who decided to leave these children alone. I don’t have a clue what happened and make no judgment about it, but there are two issues here, the children being left alone unsupervised and whatever transpired as a consequence of that. The fact that you condemn one issue, has no bearing on the other.
As long as people try to excuse, justify or diminish this behaviour, then another child will be at risk. The fact that there is form of parenting going on in this world that is deemed worse, doesn’t mean there is a reason to play down a lesser form of parenting.
Would you be prepared to say to any child that comes to harm, oh stop complaining it could have been worse, you could have been beaten by your parents?
Shell I haven’t come on here to pick a fight, I have come on here to say that for you to blame the way the debate went on the Madeleine supporters is wrong.
I am one of the die hard supporters of Madeleine and I don’t regret being a die hard supporter of her. I can never support support her parents, because if it wasn’t for them, Madeleine would still be around, but that is how I feel. I don’t expect others to feel the same way.
I only came on here to express my views and because we were debating the issue, I thought it was ok to show why the McCanns were not innocent in this debate. I was called a liar by the McCann supporters, including yourself, even though I put links on the board and told the supporters where they could find information on this case.
However, being called a liar by someone with opposing views, is part of the course of a cyber debate, especially when the debate is heated. Although I have to say, if this was in a workplace, calling someone a liar, because they didn’t share their views, would not be tolerated.
What I was not prepared to accept, was the way the poster who is a McCann supporter, trawled the internet for every post I had made in my other user names, which always contained the avator of my deceased pet Arthur and put the link on here thinking she was digging up dirt on me.
I wonder why the poster didn’t do it to the posters who shared the same views as myself, but that is by the bye.
I complained about the poster, not because I was upset, I certainly wasn’t, but because she could do it to someone who isn’t as strong a character as me and the consequences could have been disasterous.
Regarding my views on wanting the McCanns prosecuted, why shouldn’t they be? They quite clearly broke the Portuguese law, each time they left their children unsupervised, which is something they admitted to the PJ. However prosecuting the McCanns is up to a Court of Law and if they are never prosecuted, my life will not be affected.
To get back to the debate, the way the debate went was caused by everyone of us who took part in the debate. To put the blame on the shoulders of the Madeleine supporters is very wrong and this is how trouble starts.
By the way, aren’t we all die hard Madeleine supporters?
Point made, and fair enough…to an extent! But why is this matter so incredibly emotional for you? It is now 2012. Madeleine Mccann went missing in 2007. One of the major critisisms the Mccanns face (and I don’t mean from you) is that there are thousands of children that go missing every year, and they have received a great deal more than any other parents. But, it is also true that, for some strange reason, those that are critical of Gerry and Kate, also feel far more strongly about Madeleine Mccann than they do about any other missing child. Madeleine Mccann is really not your business, Nor is she my business, but that is precisely why I don’t believe it is ethical or fair to defame her parents when no one KNOWS what happened, other than whoever was there at the time… I believe that Kate and Gerry have nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance, but IF I thought they ‘might’ have someting to do with it, I would NOT spend so much energy criticising them, and accusing them of being sociopaths, because I would know that I might be WRONG. The Mccann doubters share this self-righteous belief that they are 100% correct about the Mccanns’s guilt, and that disposition is far more arrogant than Kate and Gerry could ever be. Yet, again, ‘arrogance’ is what the Mccann doubters continually see in the Mccanns! If you are really so concerned about missing children, then why don’t you DO something in the real world? Go and volunteer somewhere, or campaign politicians in first world countries to help children in third world countries! These are the children that REALLY go under the radar in terms of abduction, paedophiles rings etc… I just don’t believe, for one second, that ‘truth and justice for Maddie’ is the real motivation of the Mccann doubters. If they truly cared so much about children, they would not merely focus on ONE. ONE child that they never had anything to do with! And they say there’s something wrong with her parents? They have every reason to go on spending their lives obsessing about this little girl and doing everything they can to find her. But YOU don’t have a reason to be judging them- publically- five years after the event! Mccann critics are almost always unable to separate their judgements about Kate and Gerry’s child care arrangements from their capacity to commit serious, sociopathic crimes. One does not necessarily follow the others. You can be critical of them for leaving their children alone in that room, and STILL have empathy for them for what happened afterwards. I am sorry, but my observation is that there is always a great deal of vitriol, judgement and yes, hatred, in just about everyone who has anything negative to say about this couple. I Just DO NOT buy the ‘concern’ for Madeleine motivation. It does appear to be hateful, highly emotive, and quite normal. It is almost as if all the Mccann critics have ‘claimed’ Madeleine as some kind of crusade, despite their being millions of other children in the world who need someone to champion them. It seems that hating Kate and Gerry is much more appealing than really DOING anything for any child!
It does seem to be the case that anyone who questions the McCanns, either in terms of their parenting choices or their version of the events surrounding the disappearance of their daughter becomes labelled a hater/pitchforker/nutter/troll and so forth in what seems to be a campaign to silence debate.
In my view, this is where the “hate” and obsession lies.
I do not post on any “McCann” forum, nor do I have a twitter or u-tube account, but as a parent myself, follow with interest the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine under circumstances underpinned by questionable parenting by mature medical professionals.
On this site, I posted what were reasonable points and questions concerning aspects I find puzzling.
Apparently, to do this could be considered “hating” the McCanns and yes, it can be scary and worrying to incurr the wrath of some who support the parents unconditionally, trawling the internet, labelling people paedophiles, haters or mentally disturbed for taking another view of what has neither been solved nor proved in this sad case.
I am sorry that I made any contribution on here at all. I feel it is grossly unfair to label legitimate and understandable points made by parents about parenting as being part of a “hate campaign.”
Emma, if you feel swamped under the torrent of of comments, then consider the following independent and qualified statements about the McCanns:
1) “While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.” – The assistant chief constable of Leicestershire police, July 2008
2) “The potential involvement of the family in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann cannot be discarded … It should be stressed that there is no evidence to directly support an involvement of the family, yet given the absence of decisive evidence to prove the contrary, such a scenario has to be explored…” – Lee Rainbow, Senior Behavioural Investigation Consultant – National Policing Improvement Agency, June 2007 [before cadaver/blood dogs indicated in the McCanns apartment, their hire car and on various items of the McCanns clothing]
3) “You will also be aware of the Madeleine McCann case. Both this and the Needham case are categorised as a missing persons, rather than child abduction cases, as there is no evidence in either case to support whether the children were or were not abducted.” – Foreign & Commonwealth Office, in response to FOI request, December 2009
There will those who immediately leap to their feet and say ‘all those are old’ – the McCanns were ‘cleared’ when the case was closed! No, they haven’t been ‘cleared’ or ‘exonerated’ – the language of their PR machine. The case has been archived, not closed. The archiving was based on the opinion of the Portuguese prosecutor – it was not based on a judgment in court. That is a very important point to make.
The focus of the Madeleine McCann inquiry must always be Madeleine herself and therefore it is perfectly justifiable to question the McCanns ever changing ‘account of the truth’. Kate has made it explicitly clear in her book ‘Madeleine’ that the McCanns are quite prepared, when placed in difficult situations, to lie their way out of them. The book also reveals how they can present a calm, controlled face to the media when under enormous pressure – is there anything worse than being accused of the death of your own child? Yet, in media interviews (before being made arguidos and it becoming public knowledge) they remained cool and collected.
As for McCann-haters? That is a common clarion call of the McCanns and their supporters to try and undermine anyone that dares to question them. And if that doesn’t work, they get the might of Carter-Ruck to sue you. [In the McCanns current action against Tony Bennett, Carter-Ruck had already clocked up 'well over £120,000' in legal expenses by April this year]
And one final thought:
There are 23 chapters in Kate McCann’s book ‘Madeleine’.
Madeleine is written out after chapter 5.
See that is my exact point I have NEVER seen any inclusive evidence that this poor young child was abducted …. so if she wasn’t what happened to her?
Hi Emma
In reply to your question where you say if Madeleine wasn’t abducted what happened to her? All I can say, which is what I have said before, the Portuguese Chief Inspector, Tavares de Almeida, came to the same conclusion as Dr Goncalo Amaral, which was that Madeleine died in the McCanns apartment and her parents tried to cover up the cadaver scent.
For obvious reasons, I am not putting the link to the information, which is in the PJ files on here. What I will say is this, the McCanns have taken out a lawsuit against Dr Goncalo Amaral, for stating his conclusion in his book “The Truth of the Lie.” The McCanns reason for taking out this lawsuit, is because if people read the book, which is not yet availble to buy in the UK, in English, they will not search for Madeleine. If the McCanns win their lawsuit against Dr Amaral, they are hoping to receive at least €1million, in compensation.
The McCanns are not suing Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, whose conclusion is able to be read by anyone in any country, where the PJ files have been translated to the language of that country.
If the McCanns believe that the ones who read Dr Amaral’s book, will not search for Madeleine, surely the same principle applies to the ones who read Chief Inspector Almeida’s report, which he sent to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation.
Nigel- For every ‘quote’ you offer about the possibility of one or other of the Mccanns being involved in Madeleine’s disappearance, there are just as many that I could quote that to say that neither of her parents had anything to do with it. Goncalo Amaral has said himself that he made many errors, and yet, he is still the person that Mccann critics refer to over and over. I watched Mr. Amaral’s ‘documentary’. At the start he tells us that Kate and Gerry stored Madeleine’s body in the cupboard. But his ‘theory’ about how she died and what happened to her body is this: She woke up, heard her father talking outside the window. She climbed on the couch, leant over to the window, but because she was doped up on sedatives, she miscalculated the distance, fell between the couch and the window ledge, hit her head and died. Gerry arrived a few minutes later, realised his daughter was dead, and immediately picked up her body, took it down to the beach and threw it in the ocean. So WHEN was her body stored in the cupboard??? Mr. Amaral would have seen this footage hundreds of times or more. He had it edited; he put C grade ‘horror movie’ music under his words etc… etc… But he never saw his own contradiction. Neither did any of his supporters. But I saw it the first time I watched this seriously dodgy ‘documentary’. But I am not a cop, let alone someone who would be trusted to the head the investigation of a missing child. Since this terrible event, no one from the Mcanns past has come out to tell their story about the horrible experiences they’ve had with Kate and Gerry. The people who know them, in their village, at work, or from school and university, speak of them as loving parents and lovely people. People don’t reach the age of 39 and suddenly become sociopaths, capable of vile and criminal behaviour towards their own child They have a history of bizarre behaviour. Despite your observations about Kate’s book, when I read it, I was overwhelmed with the raw pain that this woman described, and the intense vulnerability of everything about her. I simply do not understand why people are so willing to believe that the Mccanns are capable of using their own child in the way you infer. To me, it is a warped way of viewing humanity, when it is abundantly clear that Mr. Amaral, along with the Tabloid Press in Britain and in Portugal, are far more likely to be motivated by money than Kate or Gerry Mccann. There is nothing about either of them that indicates they ever wanted to be rich and famous. I can’t imagine them on master chef or big brother. They are two of the most reluctant celebrities I have ever seen. I only see two desperate parents doing everything they can to find their daughter, despite the fact that they are clearly intelligent enough to know she might be dead. But, in the absence of a body, I understand why they keep going. I would do whatever I could for my daughter in such circumstances, and the mere thought that she might still be alive, and possibly also suffering, would cause me to do whatever was in my power. The Mccanns did whatever was in their power. I don’t think they masterminded this at all. Okay, so Gerry knew someone who knew someone who knew the British Prime Minister. I am sure that Kate and Gerry would never have used this contact to bolster their careers, or anything of that nature. They used it for the MOST serious and painful crisis that any parent could ever imagine. I would have done the same! There is no way they could ever have known the level of attention they would ultimately get from this tragedy. They didn’t plan to be celebrities. They are operating from a very primal, and very normal instinct- present in all mamals- the preservation of their offspring. That is all. It is far more likely that the capalistic, greedy elements in this saga are NOT the Mccanns.
What reason if any did Kate give – for leaving the children alone?
Why was Madeleine singled out – why not the twins?
Emma, the reason Kate gave for leaving their children alone in their apartment, was because they didn’t have a buggy to take the children to a child friendly restaurant. Apparantly on the first night they arrived in Praia da Luz, which was on April the 28th 2007, along with their friends and their children, they took Madeleine, Sean and Amelie, to the Millenium Restaurant.
Kate said it was a long walk and very tiring for the children. They decided that for the rest of their holiday, they would put their children to bed and eat in the Tapas Bar. They said they checked their children every 30 minutes, apart from the night Madeleine disappeared. On that evening they each made one check which were 55 minutes apart.
The McCanns said other people were checking the children, but according to their statements, none of them saw Madeleine. One said he saw the twins in their cots through the open door, but he never went into the bedroom.
N.B.The McCanns did have a buggy when they went on a family trip to Sagres on the 30th of April and they had a buggy following Madeleine’s disappearance. Where the buggy came from I don’t know.
Complete and utter bleep – any “normal” mother would either NOT have gone out with friends or carried/walked their kids – the more I read the more I question …
My sentiments exactly Emma, the McCanns could have put the twins on each of their shoulders and Madeleine could have been carried on the shoulders of one of their mates.
To be honest I don’t even understand why they came on holiday with their 3 children without a buggy. The twins were less than two years old and at that age a buggy is a necessity.
Another thing, when you are planning a holiday, especially if it is a self catering holiday, the first thing you do before you book your apartment is look for shops to buy your food and restaurants near your apartment.
According to a Portuguese media reporter, who spoke about Madeleine’s disappearance, she said that all of the restaurants in Praia da Luz, were child friendly and the McCanns could have taken their children in any of them.
She was also said that Portugal had strict laws, regarding children being left unattended, while their parents were elsewhere.
If everything the McCanns have said is true, regarding the buggy, they seem rather scatterbrained.
The McCanns can’t seem to understand why they came in for so much criticism. Well if they didn’t want to be criticised, they shouldn’t have told the media what they did. They were the ones who told the media, that they left their children unsupervised in their unlocked unlit apartment and they were the ones who told the media what Madeleine told them on the morning of the evening she disappeared. They also told the media that they almost didn’t go out on that evening, but then they decided they would.
If they were speaking the truth when they told the media what Madeleine supposedly said, on the morning of the evening she vanished, they had a massive wakeup call and they ignored it. They have even said they believed someone was in the children’s bedroom, on the night their children supposedly woke up and cried.
However there are other nights when the McCanns children woke up and cried. Mrs Fenn made a statement which is in the PJ files and she says that on May the 1st, when she was in her flat alone, a child in the apartment below hers, which was the McCanns, cried constantly for 75minutes, she said the longer the child cried, the louder the cries were and she was shouting “daddy daddy.”
Mrs Fenn said the child although young, was not a child of around 2yrs of age.Mrs Fenn said the crying which started at 22:30 didn’t stop until 23:45 when someone, who she presumed was the parents, opened the patio doors.
Kate had said that apart from the night Madeleine disappeared, they checked on their children every 30 minutes, which means that either she was lying or Mrs Fenn was lying.
N.B. Regarding the McCanns children crying, the McCanns had always denied their children cried when they were out. It was only when a media interview was televised a year later, that they disclosed what Madeleine told them, on the morning of the evening she disappeared.
What I don’t understand is, the McCanns say they told the PJ what Madeleine told them, yet they’d always denied their children cried before the 1st anniversary media interview.
So, what is your point exactly? That your observations must mean that the Mccanns are also sociopaths? Raging criminals of the worst kind, capable of disposing of their own daughter’s body? This is absolute nonsense. I have read accounts of that night and the Mccanns ‘buggy’ that totally contradict what you’ve written. But no one can really state that the SOURCE of any of this information is truthful. The information was being leaked via certain members of the Portugese police-force, who were not supposed to be discussing anything to do with the case at all. It was then exaggerated and ‘spun’ by the Portugese and the British press. The anti-Mccann sites, that claim to have sourced the actual documents, are all very suspicious. There were enormous misunderstandings, miscommunications, and misinterpretations from the language barrier alone. And yet, you are prepared to believe what you have just stated. Like all Mccann critics, you write as if you were THERE. You don’t appear to be able to grasp that atleast 80% of what anyone ‘knows’ about this case, is SPIN. These people were used by a greedy, unethical press, and by the public in general- as fodder for our darkest impulses. Really and truly, there are fictional horror movies, and endless “who done its” on the TV. We don’t have a right to use the lives of real people that we know nothing about, for our own warped sense of fun.
There are lots of reasons for singling out Madeleine.
Unfortunately, pedophiles have ‘preferences’ too. They are people who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children, but, just as a heterosexual woman or man might have a preference for a type, so too does the sick minded pedophile. He might prefer a blonde haired, blue eyed child to a dark haired, dark eyed one. And while some pedophiles are attracted to babies as young as the twins were at the time, that is, thankfully, very rare. Sadly, there are lots of pedophiles attracted to three or four year olds.
Also, one can manipulate a child who is almost four with language. For example “Don’t cry, or something terrible will happen to your mummy … etc…. ” “Don’t cry, I am taking you to your daddy…” etc…
One cannot ask babies as young as the twins were at the time to be silent- they will cry regardless….
In the event that someone did take Maddie because they wanted a child of their own, they might have been able to convince themselves that it wasn’t such a bad thing because the McCans would still have two babies left… They might convince themselves that they did the ‘kinder’ thing by taking the child without the twin sibling, because one twin would miss the other one too much, and they may not have wanted two babies.
Then, there is the obvious difficultly of literally HOLDING three children, when you have two hands- that is if the abductor operated alone, which it appears he probably did.
Sadly, I know the answers to this question because I work in this area and I could go on and give you many other ‘reasons’ as to why someone might take Maddie and not the twins, None of the answers are pretty.
My personal opinion is that Madeleine was abducted by someone who was or had been in law enforcement, science, forensics, certain strands of medicine, and was someone who was very much a professional criminal of the highest order. This person knew how not to leave any forensic traces and cases such as these have existed before. He also knew to open that window because it would cause time to be wasted on investigating the ‘abductor’ through the window theory, and/or it would lead the parents to be suspects, thereby giving themselves the much needed first 48 hours needed to give greater assurance to getting away with the crime.
The abductor had an exceptionally high level of intelligence and expertise and had law enforcement dancing around in precisely the circles he intended. He also had the world dancing in the same intended circles.
The McCans have nothing whatsoever to do with the disappearance of their daughter.
There was a case in Australia (still unsolved), where a man abducted several young girls from their homes, molested them and dumped them, and actually killed one of them. Despite the surviving girls managing to give descriptions of what happened to them, this man has left NOT ONE SINGLE PEICE OF FORENSIC EVIDENCE to identify himself.
The argument that there was ‘no evidence for an abduction’ is nonsense. This is precisely the effect this abductor intended to have on anyone looking at this crime. In addition, he intended for the world wide web to go crazy with suspicion and conspiracy theories- all of which have helped this monster get away with his crime.
Anyone who cares about children’s welfare should stop posting anything that leads to suspecting the parents of Madeleine McCann, because this man WILL strike again, and that is a simple fact.
All you are doing is making his next prey an easier target!
Kathy Belle, hi for starters.:)
I respect the fact that you are not looking for a fight, and as you will hopefully read from me that im not either.
I fully understand why your not happy about your treatment on the other blog. For someone to dig dirt on you just to prove a point is stupid and childish.
There should be a discussion with differing opinions without lowblows such as that.
My issue with the Madeleine supporters was not that you supported her,I do too. It was that none of you took the time to read my first post in which I very clearly stated I did NOT support the parents. My only point on the parents is there is NO conclusive 100% proof they killed her . It doesnt mean they are innocent, it is a fact that NOBODY knows where she is or what she is. I was jumped on for spelling her name wrong, which was accidental and quite frankly it was a bit like pitch forks at dawn. It felt a bit like running the gauntlet.
Now please understand I am not blaming you for that. We had words I believe? But it was just two opinions clashing. You didnt verbally attack me if memory serves just corrected me on what you felt were my mistakes in thoughts. Thats fine with me.
Im actually glad you reported it to Emma. There were others on there that were ….shall we say determined and at the end it just turned into a bitchfest, and not what the thread was intended for.
As a last note I wanted to say I hope that other blogger stops trolling. Its a unkind thing to do and having been the victim of trolls before I know how frustrating it can be.
Your beliefs are strong and thats what Emma likes.
One day we will all know the truth I guess and then all these supporters of this or that will know where we all stand.
Oh Emma I just read those two links to the other blogs with you mentioned.
Feeling the love….NOT!
Would you like us to flog you now or later for giving out incorrect information, allowing the mother of all trolls on your page, for slagging kate mccann off, or for not having the decency to say to the mccanns in a email
Hey babe, just checking in to let you know im gonna obliterate you as parents. Okies chow !
Jeez woman hang your head in shame lol
P.s the kicker is they have both slagged you off and got NO replies! Muahahaha! Says it all..lol
I think it is a very touchy subject for a lot of people and prompts many to develop strong feelings in favour of, or against the mccans.
I can see both sides and sit firmly on the fence. I would never wish what happened to them on anyone.
I am a very staunch supporter of Madeleine and my empathy will always go towards her, I cannot support her parents, because they were the ones who put Madeleine, in the situation which caused her to disappear. I’m afraid I cannot be a fence sitter.
I could have shown sympathy for the McCanns, if they had done everything they could, to physically find Madeleine. However to learn they did nothing, apart from raise money which they said would be used to find Madeleine, when in fact it wasn’t, it was used towards their living expenses and legal bills, is what made me think the way I have thought since May 2007.
I could also have shown some sympathy for the McCanns if they had apologised to Madeleine, Sean and Amelie, for the situation they put the three of them in, on that so called family holiday. They haven’t apologised, the only thing they have ever stated and this was after being prompted by television interviewer, is to say they were sorry they weren’t with Madeleine, the minute she was taken. What were they going to do, wave her goodbye?
The McCanns made sure their children were safe in the creche/kids club during the day, so they could spend their leisure time with their friends. In the evenings they left them in a very dangerous situation, in their unlocked, unlit apartment. Madeleine was sleeping in a bed and because she was only a toddler, she was capable of getting up to mischief. She wouldn’t know it was mischief, she would have been doing what came naturally to her. Also any one of the 3 children could have fallen ill while their parents were out, it doesn’t bear thinking about what could have happened while the McCanns were enjoying their leisure time with their friends.
The McCanns said they left their apartment unlocked for a number of reasons and one of the reasons was in case a fire broke out. Having lost 3 members of my family, including a 13month old baby, in a fire which was caused by faulty electrics, I know first hand what happens when a fire breaks out. The baby’s mum and dad fought desperately to save the life of their baby and themselves as the fire raged. They were found dead, lying on top of the baby who was also dead.
I would love to know how the McCanns expected Madeleine, to get the twins and herself out of a blazing apartment.
What you need to remember as a fence sitter, who has sympathy for the McCanns, I would just like to point out, that the McCanns were approaching middle age. As doctors, they would have come across children who had been seriously harmed, or even killed, when they had been left in the same situation that their children had been left in.
If anything good is to come out of this sad case, it is that parents do not, under any circumstances, leave their vulnerable children in their home, their holiday apartment, or their hotel room when they go out for the evening. They might think that 30 minute checks on their children are ok, but those of us with children know that you only need to turn you backs for a minute and they can have an accident. Especially children of Madeleine’s age, who are sleeping in a bed. We also know that you can put a child to bed and within minutes they can wake up screaming with a tummy ache, teething problems or because they had a nightmare and wanted a cuddle from mummy and daddy.
The McCanns said their children were asleep when they left them, but we only have to look at the statement of Mrs Fenn’s which is available to read in the PJ files, to know that one of the children who Mrs Fenn believed was older than 2yrs of age, cried for 75 minutes. This incident occurred on May the 1st, when Mrs Fenn was alone in her apartment, which was above the McCanns apartment.
As the minutes flew by the child became more distressed and the crying got louder, the child was also shouting daddy daddy. Mrs Fenn said that the crying which started at 22:30, only stopped at 23:45, when the patio doors opened.
Mrs Fenn was unable to verify the incident which occurred on May the 2nd, because she had gone out for the evening. This was the incident when Madeleine and Sean supposedly woke up and cried for their parents and they never came. The McCanns said Madeleine told her about the incident, on the morning of the evening she disappeared. They said they nearly didn’t go out, but they decided they would. If this incident was true, the McCanns had a massive wakeup call that should have told them that what they were doing was dangerous and wrong. For reasons best known to themselves they ignored the wakeup call.
The best advice the McCanns could have given, back in May 2007, was to tell parents not to behave in the way they behaved. They were asked in a media interview, what their thoughts were on this issue. They said it was very difficult, because what was done was done and there was no point in going back over the issue. They also said they were comforted by people who had assured them that they did exactly what they did or were about to do what they did.
Fiona Phillips the television presenter, told the McCanns that when she and her husband took their children on holiday, they too left them sleeping in their hotel room, when they went out for the evening.
Fiona Phillips is part of the team of the charity “Missing People” the same charity that has appointed Kate McCann as an Ambassador. The mind boggles, at least my mind boggles, that a charity that is supporting the families of missing people including children, can employ 2 people who have both exposed themselves as mothers who have neglected their children and where one disappeared, because of their mother and father’s behaviour.
KathyBelle
You never knew Madeleine Mccann. This event happened in 2007. It is now 2012. One of your major concerns seems to be amount the amount of attention Kate and Gerry have received over this matter. And you are right. Madeleine Mccann’s case has received infinately more publicity than any missing child on earth. So, IF you are concerned by this, and concerned for children in general, why don’t you go and devote the ENDLESS time and energy you spend discussing this case on ANOTHER CHILD – one that no one knows about?
Melody Lane
I have just checked my posts on here and on You Tube, where you also have a problem with my posts and I have never complained about the coverage this case has been given. In fact I would welcome more coverage especially if it lead to those responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance being brought to justice.
When I state those responsible, I include the ones responsible for leaving Madeleine in a place of danger, where she was able to be abducted, always assuming she was abducted.
However, there are no signs Madeleine was abducted and the conclusion of Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, report, which he sent to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation, was that Madeleine came to harm in the apartment she shared with her parents and two siblings.
Melody Lane, I know you don’t like my critical posts regarding the McCanns. However I feel I am entitled to criticise the McCanns, because the McCanns were the ones who told the media how they behaved in PDL and how they behaved was extremely neglectful towards their children.
I am not going to inflict my views on you, because I accept you are as entitled to express your views as much as I am. I would however just like you to read my posts thoroughly, before you accuse me of stating in my posts, something that I quite clearly have not written.
Emma has allowed us to post our views on here and for her sake we need to be civil with each other when we post our views. There is nothing wrong in having opposing views, as long as we don’t try to impose our views on others, who think differently to what we do.
In the paragraph where I state that Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, concluded in his report that Madeleine came to harm in the apartment she shared with her parents and two siblings, should have added that Chief Inspector Almeida, also stated that Madeleine’s parents, tried to cover up her cadaver scent.
Chief Inspector Almeida, also stated that Madeleine’s parents, along with the group of friends, they spent every single day and evening with, while their children were either in the day creche or left alone in the evenings, lied from the beginning of the case.
I will never understand, how this group of people, who obviously didn’t want to spend quality time with their children, put them in the creche during the day, then left them in a very dangerous environment during the evening.
At least when the children were in the creche, they were safe, they were anything but safe in their apartments.
What on earth is wrong with you? Why don’t you go and get some help for your obvious and serious problems? Whatever you think, you spend a very unhealthy, and exceptionally abnormal amount of time on this matter. Don’t you have anything else to do witb your life, but go around commenting about the Mccanns? Most of you people are nutters!
I don’t know what happened to Madaleine, but something doesn’t ring true from the group at the Tapas bar, there were so many conflicting statements and they regularly change their stories even now. I’m not saying the McCanns were involved but you cannot deny that they put their own social life ahead of their children. My parents took me and my sister on holidays when we were younger and most places had babysitting services even then, but my parents insisted on eating early and staying with us after we had gone to sleep. They may well have preferred to eat later than 5pm, but our safety and wellbeing was paramount as it is to me with my kids. The McCanns could have afforded the babysitting service but refused it, why? Leaving the appartment unattended and unlocked is unforgivable in my opinion. x
I’ve said all along, if you wanted to keep your child safe you would not leave them in a hotel room ALONE!!!! x
Wow.. I would never leave my kids alone not even when I pop to shops… I think she and hubby were wrong too leave the kids… That’s all I otta say lol x
Oh im not nuts sophia, my dr released me and deemed me sane!